26-03-2019, 10:08 PM
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Knife crime
I recently signed this petition:https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/233926
which has now been duly debated:
https://hansard.parliament.uk/common...6B2/KnifeCrime
Nothing has been decided, of course, and the proposals appear not to have been accepted.
Still, it has given our glorious leaders something to talk about which, after all, is what they are paid to do - talk about things - in order to justify their generous salaries and pensions.
What a nice easy life.
Why did I bother to sign?
26-03-2019, 11:36 PM
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Re: Knife crime
Originally Posted by Ray Cathode
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It's just a con really JBR, when petitions are debated it's in some side chamber of the HoC and usually by only half a dozen MPs.
However, as I stated, wherever the motion is debated it seems that no changes are ever made to our laws.
It makes me wonder what on earth use our politicians actually are.
I suppose, as others have suggested elsewhere, present day politicians probably don't actually do anything about making or changing laws, as they rely on the EU to do that sort of thing!
They just talk. Boring!
27-03-2019, 01:47 AM
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Re: Knife crime
Sadly, Parliamentary debate regarding the aforementioned petition, along with other business, has been overshadowed and sidelined by the ongoing Brexit shambles .....
Regarding the usefulness of e-petitions, and petitions in general, here is a relevant (and optimistic) article:
Brexit debate: Do petitions ever work?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-47693506
But the government has ruled out cancelling Brexit, and rejected a previous petition for a second referendum. MP Andrea Leadsom, leader of the House of Commons, has dismissed the petition, saying it has far fewer signatories than the 17.4 million people who voted to leave the EU during the 2016 referendum.
So do petitions ever achieve anything - and is there any point in signing one?
"Petitions by themselves don't do anything, but they can be a very valuable tool for change," says Cristina Leston-Bandeira, a professor of politics at the University of Leeds, who specialises in petitions and public engagement. It all comes down to "how campaigners use the petition to put pressure on their representatives".
The petitions website Change.org says that, globally, one of its petitions secures a campaign victory ever hour. One of the campaigns it lists as a success is the 2015 petition to scrap the "tampon tax" - a sales tax on sanitary products - in the UK.
The organiser, Laura Coryton, was a student when she started the petition - and made headlines after more than 320,000 people signed up. Months later, the government said it would try to change the relevant EU law so the tax could be removed. Many retailers also cut costs on sanitary products to shoulder the cost of the tax themselves.
In March 2016, Parliament created legislation to eliminate the tampon VAT. It was expected to go into effect by April 2018 but did not do so. On the 3rd October 2018, new EU VAT rules that will allow the UK to stop taxing sanitary products were approved by the European Parliament. However they will not go into effect until January 2022 at the earliest.
27-03-2019, 08:02 AM
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Re: Knife crime
I watched a police programme last night , a young 18 year old stabbed and died , all because of a "look" between him and another , the young 18 year old carried a knife for protection , he showed it to the other lad who then got a gang to get him.How very sad
I dont know what can be done i think its all gone too far
27-03-2019, 08:07 AM
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Re: Knife crime
Originally Posted by Judd
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Knife crime has certainly increased, 17 million Leave voters have been stabbed in the back.
27-03-2019, 10:46 AM
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Re: Knife crime
Originally Posted by Judd
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Knife crime has certainly increased, 17 million Leave voters have been stabbed in the back.
Yes, true enough.Now even Mogg has stabbed us in the back.
I can't think of any political party I could now vote for.
Come on Nigel. Get your new party going.
27-03-2019, 10:49 AM
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Re: Knife crime
Originally Posted by Omah
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Sadly, Parliamentary debate regarding the aforementioned petition, along with other business, has been overshadowed and sidelined by the ongoing Brexit shambles ..... Regarding the usefulness of e-petitions, and petitions in general, here is a relevant (and optimistic) article:
Brexit debate: Do petitions ever work?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-47693506
Bloody EU .....
It is well known that that particular petition included many multiple voters and even voters from outside the UK!
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