13-04-2019, 05:23 PM
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Re: New Anti Terrorism Law
Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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One thing puzzled me with the announcement though. The wording ..... could be jailed for 10 years if they do not have a good reason for travelling to a place of conflict....Could someone please explain to me, as this really irritates me, and not for the first time, why our politicians, morons though they are, haven't got the b....s to state ......WILL be jailed for 10 years if they do not have a good reason etc ...
Why is it that those flippin meaningless words such as could, may, and liable always used instead of the word that means what it says - WILL. WILL WILL.
Rant over!
Because the ultimate decision on the length of time to be served is down to the judge at their trial, not the politician - I would have thought that that was obvious.
13-04-2019, 06:23 PM
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Re: New Anti Terrorism Law
Originally Posted by Uncle Joe
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Because the ultimate decision on the length of time to be served is down to the judge at their trial, not the politician - I would have thought that that was obvious.
If the sentence of 10 years is a mandatory one, then stop pussyfooting around and mean what they say!
WILL, WILL, WILL, not COULD. Cowards!
13-04-2019, 06:29 PM
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Re: New Anti Terrorism Law
Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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Hang on a mo UJ. I don't recall reading anything like .... Up to ten years.... The statement said could be jailed for 10 years etc, so as far as I am aware, the mandatory sentence was given as 10 years! or are we going to continue to treat them similar to those who kill others on the road and get charged with careless driving, receive a couple of months sentence and then let out after a few weeks for good behaviour?. If the sentence of 10 years is a mandatory one, then stop pussyfooting around and mean what they say!
WILL, WILL, WILL, not COULD. Cowards!
NO, NO, NO !!! - Because every case is not as clear cut and dried, judges have the dircretion to vary the length of sentence to reflect that, hence 'may' or 'could'.
13-04-2019, 06:39 PM
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Re: New Anti Terrorism Law
Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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Hang on a mo UJ. I don't recall reading anything like .... Up to ten years.... The statement said could be jailed for 10 years etc, so as far as I am aware, the mandatory sentence was given as 10 years! or are we going to continue to treat them similar to those who kill others on the road and get charged with careless driving, receive a couple of months sentence and then let out after a few weeks for good behaviour?. If the sentence of 10 years is a mandatory one, then stop pussyfooting around and mean what they say!
WILL, WILL, WILL, not COULD. Cowards!
We have to differentiate between the easily led and the Hardcore.
I do not support the view that they are all easily led, far from it.
It is in my experience that 9 out of ten are hardcore, and they go down, for life in my view.
There are some who have genuine issues and can be reformed, teenage hormones and bullying are an issue.
I did some mad things in my teenage years.
It is not that difficult to sort them out, the easily led break down and cry, the others do not.
Anyone who does not flicker an eyelid when shown a picture of a dead baby is a danger.
It is all down to experience.
They are taught how to beat Lie Detectors.
You cannot beat an experienced operator.
14-04-2019, 05:00 PM
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Re: New Anti Terrorism Law
Originally Posted by Uncle Joe
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NO, NO, NO !!! - Because every case is not as clear cut and dried, judges have the dircretion to vary the length of sentence to reflect that, hence 'may' or 'could'.
14-04-2019, 05:38 PM
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Re: New Anti Terrorism Law
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiWe have to differentiate between the easily led and the Hardcore.
I do not support the view that they are all easily led, far from it.
It is in my experience that 9 out of ten are hardcore, and they go down, for life in my view.
There are some who have genuine issues and can be reformed, teenage hormones and bullying are an issue.
I did some mad things in my teenage years.
It is not that difficult to sort them out, the easily led break down and cry, the others do not.
Anyone who does not flicker an eyelid when shown a picture of a dead baby is a danger.
It is all down to experience.
They are taught how to beat Lie Detectors.
You cannot beat an experienced operator.
What might be useful is if there was some form of license the genuine needy could apply for prior to travel.
14-04-2019, 05:39 PM
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Re: New Anti Terrorism Law
Originally Posted by galty
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Think that's from the maximum they are allowed to impose.
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