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I truly believe that David Cameron was a very weak Prime Minister. He was being forced into a corner by the danger of Ukip winning many more seats. It is said that he says the reason he called for the referendum was because the people had not had a vote over it for 40 years. Rubbish, it was only because he knew that if he delayed it and Ukip won more seats, he would have to call a referendum anyway but under Ukip terms.

His other biggest problem was his character! He went off to Brussels with his usual breezy outlook, asking for an emergency stop to immigration in Britain. Is it any wonder that Merkel refused his request. How, with his usual nonchalent happy-go-lucky way, could she or the rest of the Commission possibly have known just how important their answer was to the people of Britain?, hence he returned with his tail between his legs, making the case of those who wanted out of the EU even stronger.

Cameron lost his Premiership because of a populist uprising. Simple as.
He was not man enough to stay and see it through to the end once the Remainers had lost. He was so self-interested that he probably felt it better to leave than watch the rest of what little reputation he had left was intact.

Stranger still, history will no doubt remember him as the Prime Minister in office who called the Referendum to leave the EU - and admired for it.

Only those of us who are here now know him for what he is though, someone who was not up to the job and cut and ran instead of staying and taking responsibility to see out something that he was personally responsible for.
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23-09-2018, 12:38 PM
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UKIP had one seat in the 2015 election and zero seats in the 2010 election. They were hardly a threat. Cameron simply lost his nerve because of an imagined threat which was in his own party. This psychological weakness is all part of what happened next. He was spooked and made the wrong choices. He didn't make any effort in Brussels. He simply didn't have the charisma of Thatcher and Blair.
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23-09-2018, 12:40 PM
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Sorry if I'd brow beaten you to death on this
No you made very good points and I was glad to see him go, I just think he should have been made accountable for such a momentously poor move.
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23-09-2018, 02:11 PM
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Call Cameron all you like, and most of which has been said about him in this thread has been true, but in his defence at least he did finally allow us a say on the EU, something that we had been clamouring for yet been denied to us by governments of all colours for many years.

I am sure though that Cameron only made the promise of a referendum to help win him an election and another term in office and I'm sure he never imagined that the vote would be to leave! As it happens though even that was mainly his fault, as the ever more depressing pessimistic propaganda he and his cohorts threatened us with, then the more many people such as myself rebelled against it. I think even now, that had the government been honest with the population and had just given the points for and against leaving rather than just piling on the potential misery, the result could in fact have been very different....

All in all a very poorly executed campaign so yes, I was pleased to see him go at the end. He was not the man for the job to come.
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23-09-2018, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
UKIP had one seat in the 2015 election and zero seats in the 2010 election. They were hardly a threat. Cameron simply lost his nerve because of an imagined threat which was in his own party. This psychological weakness is all part of what happened next. He was spooked and made the wrong choices. He didn't make any effort in Brussels. He simply didn't have the charisma of Thatcher and Blair.
True, but because of our first past the post voting system, that one seat was won by more votes cast than was the SNP who got 56 seats in parliament on far fewer votes.
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23-09-2018, 02:46 PM
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true, but because of our first past the post voting system, that one seat was won by more votes cast than was the snp who got 56 seats in parliament on far fewer votes.
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23-09-2018, 03:15 PM
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Just been reading Tony Parson's view on TM's Salzburg Snub.
Very apt description of those we are dealing with.

QUOTE

EU Leaders want the UK to have a second referendum and to keep on having referendums until we come up with the result they want.
How about the best out of five, mein herr?

You can't help noticing that within living memory most of these EU countries have been invaded, occupied, and had the experience of someone's jackboot pressed against their throat.
Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Greece, Holland, Belgium, all of Eastern Europe - they have all had to bend the knee and tug their forelock to deeply unpleasant fascist or communist regimes.

They do not understand the British, who have not experienced the humiliation of invasion and occupation for one thousand years.
The British have a reverence for democracy.
It is simply not shared by the bullies in Europe.
They don't understand that the votes of 17.4million people MUST be honoured.
Because when it comes to democracy, the EU has still got it's L-plates on.

UNQUOTE

Thought the above was a very apt description of those countries who followed like sheep, Tusk and Macron's relish in treating Britain's Prime Minister in such a disgraceful and disrespectful manner.
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23-09-2018, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
just been reading tony parson's view on tm's salzburg snub.
Very apt description of those we are dealing with.

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eu leaders want the uk to have a second referendum and to keep on having referendums until we come up with the result they want.
How about the best out of five, mein herr?

You can't help noticing that within living memory most of these eu countries have been invaded, occupied, and had the experience of someone's jackboot pressed against their throat.
Germany, france, spain, italy, greece, holland, belgium, all of eastern europe - they have all had to bend the knee and tug their forelock to deeply unpleasant fascist or communist regimes.

They do not understand the british, who have not experienced the humiliation of invasion and occupation for one thousand years.
The british have a reverence for democracy.
It is simply not shared by the bullies in europe.
They don't understand that the votes of 17.4million people must be honoured.
Because when it comes to democracy, the eu has still got it's l-plates on.

Unquote

thought the above was a very apt description of those countries who followed like sheep, tusk and macron's relish in treating britain's prime minister in such a disgraceful and disrespectful manner.


Overflow from a different thread:
this is why I still have some pride in this country and hope for it yet.
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23-09-2018, 05:11 PM
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Overflow from a different thread:
this is why I still have some pride in this country and hope for it yet.
Overflow? What are you on about?
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I believe JBR just meant his sentiments here are identical to those posted on another thread.
 
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