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Sorry, but that is just weird!!!!

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Are suggesting the UK could or would have spent 500 milion on heritage by cutting back on the NHS?

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My two pence worth.
We vote over 600 MPs into our Parliament. So they take their seats. And vote on issues in accordance with what their party chiefs, the cabinet or shadow cabinet, instruct them to do. Regardless of their own views or those of the electorate who voted them into office.

It isn't democracy.
From Wikipedia:
a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

It's party politics.

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You left out an important part of the definition:

Democracy is a system of processing conflicts in which outcomes depend on what participants do, but no single force controls what occurs and its outcomes.

The uncertainty of outcomes is inherent in democracy, which makes all forces struggle repeatedly for the realization of their interests, being the devolution of power from a group of people to a set of rules.

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When was the last free vote in Parliament?
When was your democratically elected MP allowed to vote for what believed was right rather obeying the party whip.

How democratic is that?

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I left out a part of the definition too:
but the constitution limits the majority and protects the minority,*

Since you have no constitution, you have no democracy, the minority who voted 'remain' is not protected from the majority. So you are right, the UK is not a democracy but a what?

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Here dear !

Firstly some of your points of why we should stay are not really reason at all. We've had maternity pay since the 1940's, We always had holiday pay (or we did which ever job I had). Clean air etc. is not being met by this country, health care on holiday.. we always paid insurance for health care on holiday, at least since the early 1970's when I was travelling abroad with a passport. The rest of the points I can't remember, but they equate to nothing in relation to why we should stay in the EU.

Let's take this for example firstly :

Various federalist organisations have been created over time supporting the idea of a federal Europe. These include the Union of European Federalists, the European Movement International and the European Federalist Party. The Union of European Federalists (UEF) is a European non-governmental organisation, campaigning for a Federal Europe. It consists of 20 constituent organisations and it has been active at the European, national and local levels for more than 50 years. The European Movement International is a lobbying association that coordinates the efforts of associations and national councils with the goal of promoting European integration, and disseminating information about it. The European Federalist Party is the pro-European, pan-European and federalist political party which advocates further integration of the EU and the establishment of a Federal Europe. Its aim is to gather all Europeans to promote European federalism and to participate in all elections all over Europe. It has national sections in 15 countries.

So the general movement is in full swing.

Next, we have the planned Euro for all member states of the EU and intentions to raise taxes across the Union.
2030 Strategy is moving further towards integration with regard to Prison services, education, and health services.
The European Union is planning a power grab for the UK welfare state in a bid to take control of pensions, benefits and the minimum wage.
Due to the crumbling economy of Europe the ECB has been printing money for the last 3 years. It has been decided to cease this coming December after printing 2.5 Trillion Euros. We know what happens with QE but on such a grand scale is bound to have further repercussions.
Last but not least we will have to put our lives in the hands of unelected bureaucrats and tw..s like these: French president said it was Junkers sciatica to blame !! A bonding trip ! Happy days......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oecvYFq_wi0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPgiI46FCDU

Oh yes, ad there are seven more countries, all poor and mainly Muslim countries from the eastern block ,waiting to join the European Union. What chance Democracy ?

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It's a democracy. Your understanding is flawed.
There is no 'minority' to protect.

There are just losers.

A minority can't change it's status
.
i.e.
a LGBT person is thus and always shall be.
An person's skin colour is thus and always shall be.
A person's ethnicity is thus and always shall be


A person's political outlook is fluid, changeable, variable and in a constant state of flux and therefore can not be treated as a minority that can be legislaated to protect.

Ergo, your contention is wrong and as a result you are probably feeling a bit silly right now !!!

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You have a flawed understanding of what a minority is. In the brexit referendum the remain voters are a minority. In a democracy these voters would be protected against the majority, the releave voters.
Read some posts of yourself. Conclusions are self evident.

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That's very true. Isn't it all bribery and corruption? But I suppose it must happen everywhere.