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24-02-2021, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

Gove has got a Cabinet position, next most senior to Boris.

https://www.gov.uk/government/people/michael-gove
I stand corrected then Swimmy, I thought his role would end after we left ...

How do we get rid of him ?
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24-02-2021, 05:17 PM
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Rome wasn't buit in a day and Brexit won't see the settlement that some want so soon either - it's not even been two months yet.
Fishing is far from agreed yet.
Lia Nici (MP for Great Grimsby) is saying that the government are ready to play hardball with the EU over fishing:

https://www.express.co.uk/videos/623...-says-Lia-Nici
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24-02-2021, 07:30 PM
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I stand corrected then Swimmy, I thought his role would end after we left ...

How do we get rid of him ?
Hi

We don't.

Boris can but won't

Gove has all the dirt and a wife who is a very influential Newspaper Writer
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24-02-2021, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bread ->
We need to get this sorted.

https://www.brexit-watch.org/mislead...ing-the-people
Yes, and those eleven issues I list again here for clarity:

1. EU trawlers allowed up to 6 miles from UK coast for 5.5 years.
2. One third of our fishing stocks are promised to the EU ongoing.
3. The Deal set up a "Partnership Council" to review the Deal for years to come – so we don't have full control.
4. The Deal sets up a RAFT of 19 specialised Committees and 4 Working Groups to review and change aspects of our relationship – bet you had never heard of them??
5. Boris committed the UK to stay in the European Convention on Human Rights – Strasbourg Judges will have the power to strike down British Acts of Parliament – That is not taking back full control.
6. There is still major conflict about shipments to Ulster and conflict with the Protocol.
7. Gibraltar is being crucified by Spain and must join the Schengen Zone.
8. The level and length of our payments to the EU have not been finalised.
9. Our commitment to the European Defence Fund and the EU Defence Force, and limits to our independent Defence sourcing have not been finalised.
10. The Deal did not cover Financial arrangements and freedom for the City of London – when 'Services' are a much larger share of our GDP than 'Trade'.
11. There are restrictions on our State Aid to commercial operations.

Most of these I was already aware of.
No. 4, however, strongly suggests that we are still tied to EU rule in some respects, despite what some have claimed: BRINO rather than BREXIT.
No. 8 also came as a surprise. I thought we had paid £39 billion, or thereabouts as the price of our so-called freedom. I didn't know that we had to keep paying beyond that. Again, a sell-out by Boris.

These just go to show that despite all the celebrations on 1 January, we have still not fully left the EU.

Boris has played a blinder, for some reason known only to himself, and effectively kept us at least under some control of Brussels.

I sincerely hope that he and his party pay for that in 2024.
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24-02-2021, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
Isn't that just local elections Bread ??
It can't really affect Brexit can it??
However, l will vote for Nigel of l get the chance this time !!
But l think we have been well and truly shafted after all ??
Yes, it is only the local elections, but a favourable outcome would achieve two things:

- it would send a distinct message to Boris and his party; and
- it would encourage hesitant voters to take the leap and vote for Reform UK in 2024.
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24-02-2021, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bread ->
Let's see if Frost can kick it into touch, but to be honest we don't have a treaty in place anyway because its not signed by the EU. All the EU is doing is dragging out the negotiations.
Exactly. That's why the EU still claim not to have been given enough time to 'translate' the agreement into its various languages.

Our PM and MPs are nothing but fools. They have fallen for everything so far that the EU have proposed, and now this lame excuse.

I am beginning to realise that Boris is either under undue influence from his colleagues to keep us tied to the EU, or that is his own personal wish which makes him no better than Treason May.

We have been had.
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24-02-2021, 10:19 PM
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Shame that the government could only get one golden bullet.

The one they got was the Vaccine, which turned what looked like a massive mis-management event into a heroic victory.

Remember all the screw ups over clothing, travelling, etc?

The other event was Brexit and we weren't given the same sort of information about what was really being discussed over there.

We thought we were being led to where we wanted to be.

There was no golden bullet there.

No heroic victory - even though we thought we had one.

In fact, we're lucky that the EU screwed up the vaccine stuff, without that we might have been stuffed.

Still, it might be better than we suspect.
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24-02-2021, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JBR ->
Yes, and those eleven issues I list again here for clarity:

1. EU trawlers allowed up to 6 miles from UK coast for 5.5 years.
2. One third of our fishing stocks are promised to the EU ongoing.
3. The Deal set up a "Partnership Council" to review the Deal for years to come – so we don't have full control.
4. The Deal sets up a RAFT of 19 specialised Committees and 4 Working Groups to review and change aspects of our relationship – bet you had never heard of them??
5. Boris committed the UK to stay in the European Convention on Human Rights – Strasbourg Judges will have the power to strike down British Acts of Parliament – That is not taking back full control.
6. There is still major conflict about shipments to Ulster and conflict with the Protocol.
7. Gibraltar is being crucified by Spain and must join the Schengen Zone.
8. The level and length of our payments to the EU have not been finalised.
9. Our commitment to the European Defence Fund and the EU Defence Force, and limits to our independent Defence sourcing have not been finalised.
10. The Deal did not cover Financial arrangements and freedom for the City of London – when 'Services' are a much larger share of our GDP than 'Trade'.
11. There are restrictions on our State Aid to commercial operations.

Most of these I was already aware of.
No. 4, however, strongly suggests that we are still tied to EU rule in some respects, despite what some have claimed: BRINO rather than BREXIT.
No. 8 also came as a surprise. I thought we had paid £39 billion, or thereabouts as the price of our so-called freedom. I didn't know that we had to keep paying beyond that. Again, a sell-out by Boris.

These just go to show that despite all the celebrations on 1 January, we have still not fully left the EU.

Boris has played a blinder, for some reason known only to himself, and effectively kept us at least under some control of Brussels.

I sincerely hope that he and his party pay for that in 2024.
Eu boats can fish within our 12 mile limit but our boats can't do the same with Frances 12 mile limit.

It's crap


This is what happens when we elect a journalist as prime minister
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Surely, if the current trade deal is not ratified, it can be torn up.............by either side.

So it's in the EU's interest to pull their finger out.
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24-02-2021, 11:31 PM
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Re: Misled Over Brexit ? Certainly Looks That way !

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Surely, if the current trade deal is not ratified, it can be torn up.............by either side.

So it's in the EU's interest to pull their finger out.
You would think so wouldn't you.
 
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