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It is necessary to go through a lengthy enquiry because it is NOT the fault of the cladding per se. The reason for this whole horrible business is still not established. My opinion is that the reason/fault is a systemic failure.

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What! getting innocent people to pay for something they have no
responsibility for is NOTa con ???
Do me a favour Todgy??

Donkeyman! 👎👎

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Nor are tax payers responsible to pay for what took place.

For that matter it has not been established WHO bears responsibility yet.

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My simple mind says that there are only two possible culprits.

1) The cladding Manufacturer, if they failed to complete fire checks on their product and document the required standard of Installation..

2) The installer, if the product had a fire safety certificate but the limts in that certificate were ignored.

There's been a lot of fudging. Not unexpected if there are lots of these installations around the Country.

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Yes, at its simplest Ted, it boils down to if it burns, don't use it for
buildings ?And l think the regulations did say that?
But what can you do when the manufacturer faked and falsified the
fire tests? Even going so far as to substitute another product for
the tests to get a pass mark !!

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Did l say they were Dodger ???

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That would be fraud, DM? IMO

Someone should be going to jail - and paying compensation.

Also paying for any costs of investigating.

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In the case of Grenfell, it was the council who payed to have the cladding installed and they made millions in profits doing so.

The sheer scale of who gets the blame or who picks up the bill is so huge I think it would be impossible to pin it on one organisation or company. Even if we could, they would just go bankrupt and carry on operating under a different name or fix the problem so slowly it would take decades.

The company who made the Grenfell cladding (Arconic) I think is American, so that muddies the water and also with councils, private landlords, builders, suppliers, regulators also on the hook there is no easy solution or a target to point the finger at - the court cases would go on for years and meanwhile these people live in dangerous buildings they can't sell.

I think the priority should be to make the buildings safe by having it paid for by the government (the tax payer) and then we can stop spending even more millions in legal fees and making people even more miserable. Another £billion isn't much in the broad scheme of things and recent covid relief spending. It's just one of those things.

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Exactly what l keep banging on about Ted?

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I think your last paragraph is probably the best way to go Bread, for
the sake of the innocent parties !
But, that does not make it fair l am afraid ! I f the government has to
pick up the tab, unless it is only temporary whilst the real culprits
are nailed ??
As you say though they will only go bankrupt, so may be the courts
should suspend the bankruptcy laws in this particular case in an
effort to recoup some of the costs involved ? But it has been 4yrs
now and they have had plenty of time to disperse their assets so
I don't think much can be recovered now ?
The only way we can get fairness of a sort is to jail the main
culprits for a lengthy term so that they do indeed pay for their
misdeeds, and no just, as you say, start up again under another
name , which, from what l have read, one of the main miscreants
has allready started doing ??

Donkeyman! 👎👎👎