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23-08-2019, 10:51 AM
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Re: Hard border or no hard border ?

Originally Posted by realspeed ->
Who actually cares? only the politicians that cause the problems not the general public
I do Realspeed! It is the means to delay or even stop us
leaving the eu, Bread has just posted acomplete breakdown
of the farce that is the back stop!
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23-08-2019, 10:53 AM
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It makes no difference, there are so many ways to cross the border unchecked between N/S ireland the whole thing is a farce
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23-08-2019, 11:00 AM
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Apparently all this time they have been using checks anyway paper trail is kept of stuff coming and going over the border. The company owner on the radio yesterday said it just needs expanding to encompass the larger quantities that may come through. So it seems it's all ready not a problem if people want it to not be a problem but a huge problem to those want to stop brexit.
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23-08-2019, 11:07 AM
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Re: Hard border or no hard border ?

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There are a few parts to consider to the Irish Border.

The first is that there is the common travel area (CTA) that came into effect in the 1920's, way before the EU and has been in place ever since.

The second is that the border that existed during the "troubles" was never a customs border, it was a security border.

Third, smuggling has never ever been anything to do with the customs union or the single market, it is a separate issue.

Fourth, the Good Friday Agreement doesn't really mention the border at all, only in a small part that refers to "border areas" for social cohesion.

Varadkar, Coveny and the EU mafia are using this "border issue" as the lever to threaten the people of Ireland and the UK with the return to violence should we dare leave the EU as we so wish to do. It really is dirt tricks by these bastards, because the EU has never been anything to do with the GFA, the CTA or the security border during the troubles. In fact if the EU was the promoter of peace as it claims to be, it shouldn't be mentioning the Irish Border at all and an agreement would be put in place as a matter of urgency to preserve peace, rather than the EU mobsters acting like "nay sayers" and winding everyone up.

The other myth around a hard Irish Border is that "WTO rules say they need one"... well, they do, but they also say that not unless, for political reasons, it would cause unrest (or words to that effect). The WTO is in favour of moving away from hard borders anyway to adopt more efficient and less obtrusive methods of controls, such as the use of electronic pre-clearing. For the WTO, an open border would not be an issue.

The border already exists in Ireland - it has a VAT border, a currency border and a geographical border. The road signs change between the republic and NI, as do the road markings, currency etc.

The only problem that the UK (and NI) have is the lack of political will from the EU mob to resolve it using (already in use) trusted trader, AEO schemes, and electronic customs pre-clearing. Everything else can be done away from the border as is done in Calais, Rotterdam and other places where 3rd Countries (and EU member states) converge in trade. You could agree this in an hour over lunch, it really is that simple. Installing these systems take time, but interim arrangements can easily be made quickly enough.

The backstop is there for 2 catastrophic reasons.

1. It traps the UK in the EU forever, where they take our money, make our rules and punish us for eternity where we become the Alcatraz of Europe.

2. It allows the EU to pass power to the Republic so that Northern Ireland is governed by them, allowing the Republic to make a land grab effectively, and claiming the NI colony as their own (imagine the fireworks if they tried this - so much for the EU being the patrons of peace).

So, the behaviour of the unelected bastards in the EU and the Irish mafia wannabe's have done nothing short of attempting to violate peace in Ireland in an attempt to trap the UK in the undemocratic sewer that is the EU.

A no deal Brexit on the other hand, means the UK controls everything coming in and going out of the Republic of Ireland. If this happens, just watch the unelected bastards in the EU throw the jug eared tosser Varadkar and his scrawny mate Coveny under a bus.
You've hit the nail on the head Bread.
I was only saying this morning to HWMO. "What the hell has the border and the GFA got to do with the EU anyway.
They know that we would never put a hard border up, Neither would NI or Si, but they have still used it as a supposed weapon to prevent violence, which is utter crap.

If they are so worried about protecting the single market, let them be the ones to build it and guard it. end of. They are after all, the ones making a meal out of it.
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23-08-2019, 11:08 AM
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Re: Hard border or no hard border ?

Originally Posted by realspeed ->
It makes no difference, there are so many ways to cross the border unchecked between N/S ireland the whole thing is a farce
The only problem l have with that RS, is that the eu has
arranged it so that it does matter? I know that really it
should not matter!
Theresa May has so much to answer for!
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23-08-2019, 11:18 AM
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Yes she certainly does have a lot to answer for DM. And there she will be at the beginning of September, taking her seat in the HOC with her remain chums. Job well done.
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23-08-2019, 11:18 AM
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When I went over to Northern ireland to a pals wedding in Belfast right in the middle of all the troubles in 1971, I had no problem crossing the border even though I had hired a N Ireland car. The people I met were some of the friendliest I have met anywhere.
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23-08-2019, 11:20 AM
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Re: Hard border or no hard border ?

Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
The only problem l have with that RS, is that the eu has
arranged it so that it does matter? I know that really it
should not matter!
Theresa May has so much to answer for!
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Simple DM, we call their bluff.

I put a link up about the Republic and how prepared they are - talk about squeaky bum time for Irelands manufacturing, while Varadkar and Coveny do their pitiful grandstanding in front of their unelected masters.

Business will hold them to account, it will happen in France as well, and Germany and Holland. You will soon start to see the EU people vs the EU establishment.

It's on the "Meanwhile in Dublin" thread.
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23-08-2019, 11:27 AM
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Hi

We will soon know, not long now.
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23-08-2019, 11:32 AM
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I wonder what Nigel's planning....?
 
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