07-10-2019, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Tedc
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What's bothering me is the idea that we cannot give each of the drivers/carriers a simple swipe card, like a bank card, which he could use to transfer all of the load data into a Machine, as the truck crosses the border and as it is loaded up with whatever it's carrying.I thought that we were in the forefront of technology.
Obviously not!
07-10-2019, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Tedc
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What's bothering me is the idea that we cannot give each of the drivers/carriers a simple swipe card, like a bank card, which he could use to transfer all of the load data into a Machine, as the truck crosses the border and as it is loaded up with whatever it's carrying.I thought that we were in the forefront of technology.
Obviously not!
07-10-2019, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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You are, but by the UK's own prediction it still takes two to three years to optimize the technique.
The reason the EU haven't moved on in 40 years is that they don't listen.
07-10-2019, 06:41 PM
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The confidential report chronicling the latest negotiations reveals:
The British have been warned that the proposed Stormont veto provides the DUP with an opportunity to block the all-Ireland regulatory zone from ever materialising.
The proposals for a customs border were said to risk a major disruption of the all-Ireland economy. EU negotiators have pointed out that it has been rejected by groups representing Northern Irish business.
The UK is seeking a fallback of no controls, checks and border infrastructure, even if the DUP vetoes Northern Ireland’s alignment with the single market. The bloc’s internal market would be left wide open for abuse, the European commission has said in its rejection of the proposal.
The UK’s proposal leaves it up to a joint EU-UK committee to work out how to avoid customs checks and infrastructure near the Irish border once there are two customs territories and sets of rules on the island of Ireland, without offering a plan B if no such solution is agreed.
The UK has called for reform of the common transit convention so as to avoid the need for new infrastructure in the shape of transit offices on either side of the border for the scanning of goods that have passed through multiple territories. Brussels has refused as it would lead other non-EU countries to seek similar exemptions, endangering the internal market.
The text affords what is seen as an unacceptable wholesale exemption for small and medium-sized businesses from customs duties and processes, but it fails to provide details on how to then combat smuggling.
On VAT, the British negotiators were told that the proposals fail to offer any solutions as to how to avoid payments and checks at the border.
Under the UK’s proposals all the state aid and level-playing-field conditions Theresa May agreed to in order to reassure the EU that Northern Ireland businesses would not enjoy a competitive advantage have been deleted. But Northern Irish firms would still be able to compete in the single market for electricity.
The UK would have access to an unlisted number of EU databases to allow it to police the customs border on the island of Ireland and the regulatory border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Whitehall would maintain such access even if the DUP vetoed alignment with the single market.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ns-brexit-plan
07-10-2019, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Bread
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We already do it with countries outside the EU.The reason the EU haven't moved on in 40 years is that they don't listen.
You don't have freedom of movement with those countries outside the EU.
Name me two other countries that do purely digital checks where they don't already have freedom of movement between them. Now I will save you the time and effort by telling you that there aren't any.
And don't use Norway and Sweden as an example, because yes I would imagine all they have at the border is digital checking. Norway is not in the EU, Sweden is and this is where a lot of people end up thinking that surely technology is possible for a Non-EU UK and the EU.
The error in this assumption however is that Norway is in Schengen. There is complete freedom of movement of people and goods between Norway and Sweden. The fact that Norway is not a member of the EU is a matter of irrelevance.
If the UK wished to join Schengen or wished to adopt a comprehensive customs union such that you could legally have completely free movement between the UK and EU of goods and people it wouldn't be a problem. You could use technology, but this is not the case for a No Deal Brexit.
To say that it hasn't happened yet because the EU won't listen is completely absurd. It hasn't happened because it can't happen, and unfortunately leavers are listening to people like you who misguide them into believing lies. If such a system existed, why hasn't it been implemented yet?
Also, how on earth does digital tracking tell anybody what or who is inside a lorry? Only people can do this, and if you put people on a border between Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland to do this job, they might as well be signing a death warrant. Nobody is going to do that job, and technology won't work.
Hence - the impossible puzzle of the border issue that some leavers are just refusing to accept.
07-10-2019, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by AidoPotato
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Utter Nonsense. Have you even read up on any of this?You don't have freedom of movement with those countries outside the EU.
Name me two other countries that do purely digital checks where they don't already have freedom of movement between them. Now I will save you the time and effort by telling you that there aren't any.
And don't use Norway and Sweden as an example, because yes I would imagine all they have at the border is digital checking. Norway is not in the EU, Sweden is and this is where a lot of people end up thinking that surely technology is possible for a Non-EU UK and the EU.
The error in this assumption however is that Norway is in Schengen. There is complete freedom of movement of people and goods between Norway and Sweden. The fact that Norway is not a member of the EU is a matter of irrelevance.
If the UK wished to join Schengen or wished to adopt a comprehensive customs union such that you could legally have completely free movement between the UK and EU of goods and people it wouldn't be a problem. You could use technology, but this is not the case for a No Deal Brexit.
To say that it hasn't happened yet because the EU won't listen is completely absurd. It hasn't happened because it can't happen, and unfortunately leavers are listening to people like you who misguide them into believing lies. If such a system existed, why hasn't it been implemented yet?
Also, how on earth does digital tracking tell anybody what or who is inside a lorry? Only people can do this, and if you put people on a border between Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland to do this job, they might as well be signing a death warrant. Nobody is going to do that job, and technology won't work.
Hence - the impossible puzzle of the border issue that some leavers are just refusing to accept.
It doesn't happen with the EU because they don't want it.
Thats why
What would the catastrophe be if ireland had an e-border instead of a physical one ?
07-10-2019, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AidoPotato
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Utter Nonsense. Have you even read up on any of this?Hence - the impossible puzzle of the border issue that some leavers are just refusing to accept.
If you don't want to accept that reality, you just as well might revoke article 50 straight away.
07-10-2019, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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So, in conclusion, only the withdrawal deal negotiated by theresa may offers a real chance to leave the EU any time soon in a moderate way. Any other leaving is doomed to fail.If you don't want to accept that reality, you just as well might revoke article 50 straight away.
Dream on....
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