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Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

An excellent analysis.

Where we differ is this.

Cameron should not have asked, he should have just done it and told them to naff off.

Even tiny countries like Poland and Hungary do that and nothing happens to them.

The Austrians are even worse, they just totally ignore the EU.
The trouble is that we don't have, and since Maggie was stabbed in the back, a strong PM.

Both Cameron and May have caused this. Yes, Cameron was undoubtedly weak, but unfortunately May is just as weak. On the other hand it could be that she is, as has been suggested, a closet remainiac and is not pushing very hard for that reason.

I do admire the East Europeans. Not only are they sticking up for themselves, but they are not afraid of doing so despite them being nett recipients in the EU's financial system.

We, on the other hand, are nett contributors yet our weak government is still too afraid to assert themselves.

Come back Maggie, or even Churchill!
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09-05-2018, 11:56 PM
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Well said Barry.
As it happens, the above in bold became the tipping point / final deciding factor in me voting leave. The same with several other people I know. The utter contempt with which they treated Cameron may well have been their undoing. If they'd not have been so arrogant & smarmy, the vote may have just edged their way. Serves them bloody right.
That says nothing about the EU but everything about Cameron as a leader and about his personal influencing skills. He made no effort to engage anyone, be it the EU or British voters. Where is he now? Arrogant and smarmy? Who?
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09-05-2018, 11:58 PM
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May is stronger than Cameron. I cannot believe he was allowed to quit.
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The trouble is that we don't have, and since Maggie was stabbed in the back, a strong PM.

Both Cameron and May have caused this. Yes, Cameron was undoubtedly weak, but unfortunately May is just as weak. On the other hand it could be that she is, as has been suggested, a closet remainiac and is not pushing very hard for that reason.

I do admire the East Europeans. Not only are they sticking up for themselves, but they are not afraid of doing so despite them being nett recipients in the EU's financial system.

We, on the other hand, are nett contributors yet our weak government is still too afraid to assert themselves.

Come back Maggie, or even Churchill!
It's weakness but wrse than that ....it's arrogance and a complete detachment from the electorate.....just like the media.

It's why we voted Brexit.

The UK's politcians' arrogance was one of being seduced by power....being at the big table with the 'big boys'.......thinking THEY were important, they called the shots.

Trouble is we were being used and being fleeced.

All the while the ordinary electorate were being ignored, preached at ,were frustrated and getting angry......and losing out!

The UK slavishly followed and implemented to the extreme every EU rule, law and diktat and desperately wanted to prove that we too were good Europeans......

All the while the ordinary electorate were being ignored, preached at, were frustrated and angry ......and losing out!

Our politicians thought THEY knew best and the ordinary electorate, frustrated and angry as they were should just put up and shut up.

Then we had a referendum.......with Remain supported by The Government and EVERY political party except one, Remain supported by most newspapers, all TV media, all the 'Experts', the Luvvies and the Education establishment and all Govt institutions and organisations........

The anger, frustration, the sense of detachment and losing out was too much for the people to bear and the rest is history.......

Power to the People!


The smaller European nations do not have the illusions of grandeur that our UK politicians are guilty of........THEY look after those that matter......

Their own people.......LAKOTA!
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10-05-2018, 10:10 AM
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The DT tells us that the Brexit minded Cabinet Ministers have only one vote advantage, over the Remain Thinkers, as we face the choice of Customs Union or not.

If just one Brexit minded Minister (Boris?) gets the chop the balance will swing.

The DT suggests that a high level of pressure is being used, by TM, to persuade one of the Brexiteers to switch.

What they are suggesting is that, if she gets that majority, we will join the CU and be still in the EU for ever.

I have thought, for quite a while, that TM is talking Brexit whilst walking Remain.
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10-05-2018, 10:25 AM
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May was always a remainer she is selling out, and in my opinion is incompetent and treacherous and is leading our country into the mire over foreign and domestic policies.
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10-05-2018, 02:39 PM
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We are in the mire anyway makes no difference who is in charge now, the damage has been done.
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10-05-2018, 05:31 PM
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Re: Customs Union - just what is the problem?

Originally Posted by Tedc ->
The DT tells us that the Brexit minded Cabinet Ministers have only one vote advantage, over the Remain Thinkers, as we face the choice of Customs Union or not.

If just one Brexit minded Minister (Boris?) gets the chop the balance will swing.

The DT suggests that a high level of pressure is being used, by TM, to persuade one of the Brexiteers to switch.

What they are suggesting is that, if she gets that majority, we will join the CU and be still in the EU for ever.

I have thought, for quite a while, that TM is talking Brexit whilst walking Remain.
May, along with her remainiac cabinet ministers, must surely realise that if they do the dirty on the majority who voted to leave the EU, their party will almost certainly lose the next GE, along with many of their members losing their seats in Parliament.

Compo, of course, is handing them a secure safety net, but this cannot last for long as many Labour politicians are beginning to realise how he, and the Abbopottamus, are keeping their party unelectable.
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10-05-2018, 05:58 PM
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Hi

Nothing has changed on the Political front.

They are still more interested in their own careers than the voters.

If Boris and co are unhappy they should resign and force a leadership vote.
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10-05-2018, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
That says nothing about the EU but everything about Cameron as a leader and about his personal influencing skills. He made no effort to engage anyone, be it the EU or British voters. Where is he now? Arrogant and smarmy? Who?
Yes, Cameron was a spineless useless idiot. However, I still believe that if the EU were not so arrogant when he went over asking for nothing more than breadcrumbs, then remain would quite possibly have won.

As I said Annie, I know quite a number of people where it was the arrogance of the EU than swung them to the leave vote.
 
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