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10-12-2018, 10:33 PM
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Brexit NI Backstop Resolution Proposal

Would appreciate critique of the following proposal please, to break the NI Backstop deadlock and enable us to move forward.

The rest of the UK to be on the same terms as Northern Ireland throughout the duration of the backstop (should it be triggered).

Benefits:
1. NI and rest of the UK treated the same, thereby meeting the demand of the DUP.
2. SNP demand for equal treatment with NI met.
3. As neither EU nor UK wishes the backstop to be triggered for similar reasons (ties us closer to the EU) this means that best efforts will be employed to ensure it won’t be triggered; this means that neither side is giving up anything in a practical sense. If the backstop is triggered the UK as a whole would continue to enjoy the benefits of the EU Customs Union and the Single Market throughout its duration. No third country free trade deals possible during this period but free and frictionless trade with the EU would continue.
4. Opposition Parties, and ‘Remainers’ and moderate ‘Brexiteers’ on the Conservative benches may well see this as a positive move for them as frictionless trade would continue at the end of the Implementation Period (should the backstop be triggered). It would also give British business certainty. This could give the Government enough votes for the Withdrawal Agreement (Amended in this way) to pass Parliament.
5. Consequences would be: a) an end to Free Movement at the end of the Implementation Period as at present; b) ECJ jurisdiction during the period the backstop is in force (should it be triggered) but limited to trade (maybe); c) Probably cost-free but, even if the EU wanted some payment the amount would be nothing like the sums we pay now and would only be for the duration of the backstop.

This proposed amendment to the Withdrawal Agreement could provide an acceptable way forward to unblock the Backstop issue and allow the Withdrawal Agreement to be voted through. Granted that it would need EU agreement but that need not be a problem (notwithstanding the "no further negotiations" rhetoric coming out of Brussels), assuming both the EU and the UK can be taken at their word that the backstop is merely an insurance policy which probably won’t need to be triggered. If this proposal is not adopted the risk is that any one of the 27 Member States could keep us in the backstop indefinitely, effectively holding the UK to ransom for their own national interest (e.g. France - fishing rights; Spain - Gibraltar). However, under this proposal, even if we were kept in the backstop for a protracted period, the UK would enjoy frictionless trade as well as ending free movement and paying much less to the EU. It is most unlikely the EU would want this scenario so there is an incentive to make sure the Backstop is not needed in the first place.
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10-12-2018, 10:49 PM
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Re: Brexit NI Backstop Resolution Proposal

Hi

You mention frictionless Trade and continuing in the Single Market.

This is not on offer, Single Market is only for EU Members.
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10-12-2018, 11:23 PM
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Re: Brexit NI Backstop Resolution Proposal

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

You mention frictionless Trade and continuing in the Single Market.

This is not on offer, Single Market is only for EU Members.
If we're being forced to continue paying during the unwanted transition period then why not.
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10-12-2018, 11:48 PM
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Re: Brexit NI Backstop Resolution Proposal

NI will continue to enjoy these benefits under the Backstop to ensure no hard border - I'm simply suggesting this is extended to the whole UK under the Backstop. This is a level playing field because under the Withdrawal Agreement currently there are different arrangements for the NI and the rest of the UK. This is what the DUP regards as a showstopper. Remember, this would only apply if the Backstop were triggered - which nobody wants.
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11-12-2018, 01:00 AM
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Re: Brexit NI Backstop Resolution Proposal

You state: end of free movement at end of transition period. The UK is not in the schengen region, so at present there is no free movement.
During the transition period the normal contribution to the EU is due. Payable in the years after transition.

It seems to me your proposal is based on assumptions that are not realistic.
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11-12-2018, 01:03 AM
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Re: Brexit NI Backstop Resolution Proposal

Originally Posted by 186Peter2694 ->
NI will continue to enjoy these benefits under the Backstop to ensure no hard border - I'm simply suggesting this is extended to the whole UK under the Backstop. This is a level playing field because under the Withdrawal Agreement currently there are different arrangements for the NI and the rest of the UK. This is what the DUP regards as a showstopper. Remember, this would only apply if the Backstop were triggered - which nobody wants.
What you suggest is: trigger the backstop (wich nobody wants), but do not give that consequences. Is that realistic?
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11-12-2018, 03:00 AM
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Re: Brexit NI Backstop Resolution Proposal

I don't understand the backstop thing .
Who cares about Ireland ?
Why is it so important?
If they want to trade with us let them otherwise let them build a border wall .
will it interfere with their traveling pig scam or has that already been stopped?
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11-12-2018, 07:42 AM
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Re: Brexit NI Backstop Resolution Proposal

Originally Posted by Ray Cathode ->
If we're being forced to continue paying during the unwanted transition period then why not.
Hi

What do you mean by unwanted?

We asked for it because we are not ready for no deal.

The White Paper on Immigration has not even bee published yet, 30 months on.

It has then got to be drafted into law and get through Parliament.

Then we have to develop the Computer System and link it to others.

This should have been done in the first 6 months and the necessary system put out to Tender.

Blaming the EU is a get out, we need to hold our Politicians to account for this mess.
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11-12-2018, 10:22 AM
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Re: Brexit NI Backstop Resolution Proposal

I agree with Maddy, as has been repeated often, any border required should be built by the Eire.

If we were forced to build it we should tell them that we may well shut much of their their trade out.

Ireland is the proverbial iceberg which we keep running in to.

They should be informed that they need to change their stance - or else!
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11-12-2018, 11:02 AM
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Re: Brexit NI Backstop Resolution Proposal

Originally Posted by Tedc ->
I agree, as has been repeated often, any border required should be built by them.

If we were forced to build it we should tell them that we may well shut much of their their trade out.

Ireland is the proverbial iceberg which we keep running in to.

They should be informed that they need to change their stance - or else!

Hi

I could not agree more.

Varadkar is using Brexit to threaten us to get his United Ireland.

No point in running and asking for favours, he needs to be told what will happen if we leave with No Deal.

A No Deal means that we can just ignore the EU, and as long as we comply with WTO Rules on trade there is nothing they can do.

We could build a Hard Border, partition Ireland, abolish the Common Travel Area and require every Irish Citizen who wishes to come here have a Passport and a Visa and be unable to work here without a Permit.

They will no longer be able to bring any family members to live here.

That is just the start, plenty of other things we can do under International Law.
 
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