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22-01-2018, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Lindyloo ->
Anyone got opinions on fracking? I went to an anti-fracking meeting yesterday and learned that the criteria to obtain a licence for fracking has changed radically, that the waste matter will create super-serious pollution and possible lethal waste for people. .
You need to do your research LindyLoo. Most of what you have heard is complete Billy BS.

For example:

Fracking does NOT damage water tables. The fracking action is many miles beneath the surface. It is not possible for the fracking chemicals to make their way back up hill to affect water tables.

What HAS happened in the past is chemicals stored on site have been accidentally spilled (or sabotaged) and that can obviously affect water tables. But that is NO DIFFERENT to any industry that is using chemicals. The eco-warriers (stooges for large energy conglomerates) just use such info to mislead ignorant villagers.

Fracking DOES NOT result in gas coming out of your water taps. The video showing that is showing methane and is a complete mislead.

Fracking can cause very minor earth tremors. The typical house by a main road will experience tremors many times more powerful every time an articulated lorry drives past.

There are lots of different solutions for the safe disposal of fracking waste water. Eco warriers are unlikely to come clean about that.


At the end of the day, the UK, as a country, as a nation, needs to harness all of the valuable resources it has. The more self-sufficient the UK can be the better it will be for citizens. Currently we are held by the short and curlies by foreign energy moguls who sell us their energy for a huge premium. We have to find ways to rid ourselves of that dependency. Fracking is one such way.


The large energy conglomerates will do anything and everything to prevent the UK becoming self-sufficient. They will employ eco-warriers to spread misinformation and incite local communities to action, using the age old "Campaign of Fear" tactics to do so. Telling people their tap water will be contaminated, their houses will suffer earthquakes and much much more. It's all quite despicable really but your average "Vicar of Dibley" stupefied community laps up such disinformation like honey and then engage in long term activism and congratulate themselves on every minor victory they achieve, all the while oblivious to the fact that they are damaging the country and preventing us from breaking away from our "druggie" dependence on foreign energy. Of course the same idiots will complain endlessly about the cost of their energy bills every winter too! This is what a life of soaps and reality TV does to a nation.


We MUST get fracking. The sooner the better.
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22-01-2018, 08:35 PM
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You can have it in your backyard, I don't want it in mine.
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23-01-2018, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Realist ->
The fracking action is many miles beneath the surface.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35107203

16 December 2015

MPs have voted to allow fracking for shale gas 1,200m (0.75 miles) below national parks and other protected sites.

The new regulations - which permit drilling from outside the protected areas - were approved by 298 to 261.
Originally Posted by Realist ->
Fracking can cause very minor earth tremors.
https://www.newscientist.com/article...kes-in-the-uk/

How fracking caused earthquakes in the UK

2 November 2011

In April and May this year, two small earthquakes struck the UK near the town of Blackpool. Suspicion immediately fell on hydraulic fracturing, known as fracking – a controversial process to extract natural gas by fracturing the surrounding rock. A report has now confirmed that fracking caused the earthquakes.

A magnitude-2.3 earthquake occurred on 1 April, followed by a magnitude-1.5 quake on 27 May. Both occurred close to the Preese Hall drilling site, where Cuadrilla Resources was using fracking to extract gas from a shale bed.

The epicentre of the second quake was within 500 metres of the drilling site, at a depth of 2 kilometres. Less information was available on the first quake, but it seems to have been similar.
https://www.localgov.co.uk/Fracking-...ists-say/40372

Fracking causes noise pollution and road damage, scientists say
Fracking could lead to an increase in heavy-duty vehicles on the road, which could, in turn, give rise to substantial increases in noise levels, road damage, and air pollution in local areas, new research has uncovered.

Researchers at Newcastle University, studying hypothetical scenarios based on data from the US, discovered at peak times nitrogen oxide and dioxide (NOx) emissions could increase 30% over non-fracking periods due to vehicles delivering water and materials.

Unveiling a Traffic Impacts Model (TIM) for assessing the traffic-related impact of hydraulic fracturing (fracking) operations, the scientists also suggested there will be a doubling of noise levels and extra strain on road surfaces.

The TIM revealed that for a hypothetical scenario of a six-well site, developed over an 85-week period and serviced by a rural road network, there was a 6% increase in NOx emissions, a 5% increase in CO2 emissions and a 17% increase in axle loading on the roads.

However, at peak times, hourly NOx emissions increased by 30% and noise levels by 3.4dBA.

Dr Paul Goodman, researcher in transport and the environment at Newcastle University, said: ‘Additional road traffic would primarily be heavy duty vehicles such as tankers bringing the water required for the fracturing process to and from the well site.

‘As well as being highly visible, the presence of tankers on roads has a number of environmental impacts: on greenhouse gas emissions, local air quality issues such as NOx emissions and particulate matter, noise and damage to road surface and structure.’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/eart...ermission.html

Fracking could be allowed under homes without owners’ permission

26 Jan 2014

Fracking will be allowed to take place under homes without the owners’ permission, under plans being considered by the Government.

Ministers have admitted that they are looking at overhauling trespass laws to make it easier for energy companies to explore for shale gas, amid concern that efforts could otherwise be stymied by lengthy and costly court proceedings.

Under current law, companies need permission from all the landowners beneath whose land they drill. Case law shows they would otherwise be committing trespass. If a landowner refused permission, the company would have to take them to court, which would decide whether to award drilling rights and how much compensation should be paid.
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23-01-2018, 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Realist ->
You need to do your research LindyLoo. Most of what you have heard is complete Billy BS.

For example:

Fracking does NOT damage water tables. The fracking action is many miles beneath the surface. It is not possible for the fracking chemicals to make their way back up hill to affect water tables.

What HAS happened in the past is chemicals stored on site have been accidentally spilled (or sabotaged) and that can obviously affect water tables. But that is NO DIFFERENT to any industry that is using chemicals. The eco-warriers (stooges for large energy conglomerates) just use such info to mislead ignorant villagers.

Fracking DOES NOT result in gas coming out of your water taps. The video showing that is showing methane and is a complete mislead.

Fracking can cause very minor earth tremors.
The typical house by a main road will experience tremors many times more powerful every time an articulated lorry drives past.

There are lots of different solutions for the safe disposal of fracking waste water. Eco warriers are unlikely to come clean about that.


At the end of the day, the UK, as a country, as a nation, needs to harness all of the valuable resources it has. The more self-sufficient the UK can be the better it will be for citizens. Currently we are held by the short and curlies by foreign energy moguls who sell us their energy for a huge premium. We have to find ways to rid ourselves of that dependency. Fracking is one such way.


The large energy conglomerates will do anything and everything to prevent the UK becoming self-sufficient. They will employ eco-warriers to spread misinformation and incite local communities to action, using the age old "Campaign of Fear" tactics to do so. Telling people their tap water will be contaminated, their houses will suffer earthquakes and much much more. It's all quite despicable really but your average "Vicar of Dibley" stupefied community laps up such disinformation like honey and then engage in long term activism and congratulate themselves on every minor victory they achieve, all the while oblivious to the fact that they are damaging the country and preventing us from breaking away from our "druggie" dependence on foreign energy. Of course the same idiots will complain endlessly about the cost of their energy bills every winter too! This is what a life of soaps and reality TV does to a nation.


We MUST get fracking. The sooner the better.
Fracking does contaminate groundwater.
Pumping poisoned water into the ground to mine for natural gas is insanity.
https://thetyee.ca/News/2016/03/30/S...g-Groundwater/
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23-01-2018, 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Realist ->
You need to do your research LindyLoo. Most of what you have heard is complete Billy BS.

For example:

Fracking does NOT damage water tables. The fracking action is many miles beneath the surface. It is not possible for the fracking chemicals to make their way back up hill to affect water tables.

What HAS happened in the past is chemicals stored on site have been accidentally spilled (or sabotaged) and that can obviously affect water tables. But that is NO DIFFERENT to any industry that is using chemicals. The eco-warriers (stooges for large energy conglomerates) just use such info to mislead ignorant villagers.

Fracking DOES NOT result in gas coming out of your water taps. The video showing that is showing methane and is a complete mislead.

Fracking can cause very minor earth tremors. The typical house by a main road will experience tremors many times more powerful every time an articulated lorry drives past.

There are lots of different solutions for the safe disposal of fracking waste water. Eco warriers are unlikely to come clean about that.


At the end of the day, the UK, as a country, as a nation, needs to harness all of the valuable resources it has. The more self-sufficient the UK can be the better it will be for citizens. Currently we are held by the short and curlies by foreign energy moguls who sell us their energy for a huge premium. We have to find ways to rid ourselves of that dependency. Fracking is one such way.


The large energy conglomerates will do anything and everything to prevent the UK becoming self-sufficient. They will employ eco-warriers to spread misinformation and incite local communities to action, using the age old "Campaign of Fear" tactics to do so. Telling people their tap water will be contaminated, their houses will suffer earthquakes and much much more. It's all quite despicable really but your average "Vicar of Dibley" stupefied community laps up such disinformation like honey and then engage in long term activism and congratulate themselves on every minor victory they achieve, all the while oblivious to the fact that they are damaging the country and preventing us from breaking away from our "druggie" dependence on foreign energy. Of course the same idiots will complain endlessly about the cost of their energy bills every winter too! This is what a life of soaps and reality TV does to a nation.


We MUST get fracking. The sooner the better.
This.

Fracking, if done properly, will be perfectly safe.
It is also becoming more and more essential. Wind farms are an expensive and relatively ineffective option, and the energy demands in this country continue to increase.

My personal favourite, though, is nuclear power.
We should do what France was not afraid to do, and invest heavily in it.
The only drawback is that the waste must be safely disposed of. This is not such a major problem that some people imagine. Vitrification encloses the radioactive waste effectively and permanently. It could then be deposited deep underground; we already have many disused coal mines that could be used for that purpose. Deposition in such places would keep it safe and out of the way for the thousands of years it would take for it to lose its radioactivity.

In addition to general power supply, widespread use of nuclear power to generate electricity would provide the power needed if the latest fad, electric vehicles, is to really take off.

I also feel that nuclear fusion will one day be successfully developed, and quite probably not too far in the future. No radioactive waste and no shortage of raw materials - basically water.
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23-01-2018, 01:12 AM
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Interestingly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrau...ing_by_country

Hydraulic fracturing was banned in France in 2011 after public pressure. It was based on the precautionary principle as well as the principal of preventive and corrective action of environmental hazards, using the best available techniques with an acceptable economic cost to insure the protection, the valuation, the restoration, management of spaces, resources and natural environments, of animal and vegetal species, of ecological diversity and equilibriums. The ban was upheld by an October 2013 ruling of the Constitutional Council following complaints by US-based company Schuepbach Energy.

What is more, in December 2017, to fight against global warming, France adopted a law banning new fossil fuel exploitation projects and closing current ones by 2040 in all of its territories. France thus became the first country to programme the end of all fossil fuel exploitation.
In June 2016 German politicians passed a law banning fracking, with limited exceptions for scientific and non-commercial projects. Wintershall and ExxonMobil will now have to abandon their plans to frack in Germany.
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23-01-2018, 02:26 AM
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they can reuse some nuclear waste. They need to work out a use for the rest of it. But nuclear is a stopgap until we can find an alternative source of power. They are working on getting fusion up and running. Maybe not in our lifetime but certainly for our children and grandchildren.

https://futurism.com/wait-fusion-power-coming-end/

Hopefully it will be working before they frack up the planet....
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23-01-2018, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Omah ->
Interestingly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrau...ing_by_country





I believe that a possible influence on their decisions may be the well-established (in the case of France) and growing (in Germany) nuclear industries.
They, understandably, would wish to remain as influential as they are presently.
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23-01-2018, 12:09 PM
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I believe that a possible influence on their decisions may be the well-established (in the case of France) and growing (in Germany) nuclear industries.
http://www.dw.com/en/germanys-nuclea...ned/a-39171204

Germany's nuclear phase-out explained

Germany has measures on the books to close all of the country's nuclear reactors by 2022.

Phasing out all nuclear power plants is one of the prongs of Germany's Energiewende, or energy transition, policy to curb its carbon emissions and transition to renewable energy. The movement to pull the plug on Germany's nuclear plants, however, started decades before Chancellor Angela Merkel made the call to immediately close several reactors following the Fukushima disaster in Japan.
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23-01-2018, 03:28 PM
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Yes, actually I think I got the wrong end of the stick.

I thought I had read that the Germans were turning towards nuclear power, whereas I think it must have been their intention to rely more on coal to produce energy I had read about. Even then, I'm not sure and it isn't mentioned in the article you link to.

If the Germans are determined to reduce nuclear energy production and, in fact, are NOT intending to expand coal-fired energy production, one wonders where they are going to get their energy from. Gas? Surely not wind power?

I'm sure the Germans require even more power supplies than we do.
 
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