18-07-2019, 07:24 AM
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Re: Ursula von de Leyens Pledges
Originally Posted by Banchory
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So a decision made by heads of state who are determined by elections in their own country and have equitable representation on the commission is undemocratic?They have also shown a common unity over the last three years that has been absent from our own politics
You mean like "Dear Leader" ?
Go to Greece, Italy, Hungary, Sweden. I'm sure they will agree with you ... not.
18-07-2019, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Bread
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You mean like "Dear Leader" ?Go to Greece, Italy, Hungary, Sweden. I'm sure they will agree with you ... not.
Merkel actively engages with Europe whereas our politicians have always kept Europe at arms length and not made it work for us ax best it could
As to the countries you name, so far they have shown unity over Brexit as while they may have some grievances, the are no fools and know which side their bread is buttered on
18-07-2019, 08:16 AM
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Re: Ursula von de Leyens Pledges
Originally Posted by Banchory
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Perhaps you might reflect on why the Germans have such affection for their chancellor when hers in the UK all recent Prime Ministers have been derided and ridiculed. Merkel actively engages with Europe whereas our politicians have always kept Europe at arms length and not made it work for us ax best it could
As to the countries you name, so far they have shown unity over Brexit as while they may have some grievances, the are no fools and know which side their bread is buttered on
The EU is built around Germany and France and the Euro is based on the DM ..
That's why
Showing unity over Brexit of the 27 is one thing, business on the other hand is a very different story.
18-07-2019, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Bread
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The EU is built around Germany and France and the Euro is based on the DM ..That's why
Showing unity over Brexit of the 27 is one thing, business on the other hand is a very different story.
It most certainly is and we are about to get trounced.
We set off with our Red Lines and our War Cry, No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.
We demanded things that no one in the EU could agree to, it was not in their interests to do so.
We hit a brick wall.
The EU offered a standard WTO Trade Deal, we rejected it, we wanted more.
We told the other Countries we have Free Trade Deals with as part of the EU what the replacement Trade Deals with the UK would be.
Such arrogance, they said get lost.
Those few we have managed to agree have not been on the same terms, they are worse for us.
Some simply rebuffed us.
We hired one of the best Trade Negotiators in the World, and then ignored him and his team, our Politicians decided they knew better.
The EU just ploughed on, signing massive new trade deals, which we are not part of.
We have been replaced in terms of Trading GDP.
The only thing the EU are losing is our Nett Contribution.
This amounts to naff all, £500 Million a year for each EU Country.
Some will be hit more, some less.
A No Deal will result in the EU making a Taxation Profit from UK Services, our biggest Export , with they are taking.
There will be huge ructions in the EU as France and Germany will be reluctant to give up their share of it.
Our Politicians have mishandles this so, so, badly.
We could have been out within 2 years, no paying for a Transition Period, away and free.
May had a majority, she lost it at the Election, we are now in the hands of a few nutters.
The solution to the problem was very simple.
A WTO Free Trade Deal, no tariffs on goods and agriculture.
Absolutely no need for a Hard Border in Ireland, no checks at all.
The only Border would have been in the Irish Sea, and that would only have been for Health Checks, really easy to do at our Ports,.
It would have meant another 65 Port Health Inspectors.
It would have meant another 700 at the Channel Crossings, these would have been done outside Dover, at a new facility 3 miles up the Motorway.
All rejected.
Trade would have flowed, no job losses in manufacturing, zero tariffs on cars and car parts.
The stupidity of our Politicians is amazing.
Don't blame solely the Remainder MPs, I have no time for them at all.
The DUP and ERG have ruled the roost, they have a different Agenda.
18-07-2019, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiIt most certainly is and we are about to get trounced.
We set off with our Red Lines and our War Cry, No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.
We demanded things that no one in the EU could agree to, it was not in their interests to do so.
We hit a brick wall.
The EU offered a standard WTO Trade Deal, we rejected it, we wanted more.
We told the other Countries we have Free Trade Deals with as part of the EU what the replacement Trade Deals with the UK would be.
Such arrogance, they said get lost.
Those few we have managed to agree have not been on the same terms, they are worse for us.
Some simply rebuffed us.
We hired one of the best Trade Negotiators in the World, and then ignored him and his team, our Politicians decided they knew better.
The EU just ploughed on, signing massive new trade deals, which we are not part of.
We have been replaced in terms of Trading GDP.
The only thing the EU are losing is our Nett Contribution.
This amounts to naff all, £500 Million a year for each EU Country.
Some will be hit more, some less.
A No Deal will result in the EU making a Taxation Profit from UK Services, our biggest Export , with they are taking.
There will be huge ructions in the EU as France and Germany will be reluctant to give up their share of it.
Our Politicians have mishandles this so, so, badly.
We could have been out within 2 years, no paying for a Transition Period, away and free.
May had a majority, she lost it at the Election, we are now in the hands of a few nutters.
The solution to the problem was very simple.
A WTO Free Trade Deal, no tariffs on goods and agriculture.
Absolutely no need for a Hard Border in Ireland, no checks at all.
The only Border would have been in the Irish Sea, and that would only have been for Health Checks, really easy to do at our Ports,.
It would have meant another 65 Port Health Inspectors.
It would have meant another 700 at the Channel Crossings, these would have been done outside Dover, at a new facility 3 miles up the Motorway.
All rejected.
Trade would have flowed, no job losses in manufacturing, zero tariffs on cars and car parts.
The stupidity of our Politicians is amazing.
Don't blame solely the Remainder MPs, I have no time for them at all.
The DUP and ERG have ruled the roost, they have a different Agenda.
I agree that May has made as complete pigs ear out of Brexit, but thats what happens when you give control of Brexit to remainers.
The Canada +++ that was offered did not include Northern Ireland, which was why everything went pear shaped - we were right to reject it.
The FTA's the EU has signed up (in particular the one with Mercosur isn't all that great because of the quota restrictions. I think something like 600,000 tonnes of beef are imported from Ireland, however, only 99,000 tonnes is the quota limit from Mercosur - not great but enough to really upset France and mr Varadkar.
Japans deal will take 7 years before Japan get any benefit from it (why on earth they signed up to this lord only knows - which is probably why they are being super cautious with us). We only do 700 million a year trade with Canada so that one isn' t really a big deal to us anyway - the FTAs the EU has are to benefit France and Germany - nobody else gets that much out of it and considering we have to pay around 10 billion net a year to trade tariff free (on overpriced goods) from the 27 is a complete joke.
We should ignore the EU and put in place our FTA with the rest of the world (whoever wants them - USA, Canada, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea etc) and leave the EU on October 31st. May was offered a comprehensive FTA with the USA in 2018 form the Trump administration but turned it down because the UK "wasn't ready"..... treacherous cow.
Who pays 10 billion a year for an FTA ? Oh yes, the UK.... the worst FTA in the world ever.
18-07-2019, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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You better win by a wider margin than lasts 52%!Nigel farage is facing mockery after he claimed the new European Commission president lacked "legitimacy" because she won just 52 per cent of the vote.
Mr Farage said Ursula von der Leyen had "power but no legitimacy" after she scraped in by nine votes in a ballot in the European Parliament on Tuesday.
Critics were quick to point out that the incoming head of the EU executive won by the same margin as the Leave campaign during the 2016 EU referendum - when the result was 52 per cent to 48 per cent.
18-07-2019, 10:21 AM
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Re: Ursula von de Leyens Pledges
Originally Posted by Bread
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I agree that May has made as complete pigs ear out of Brexit, but thats what happens when you give control of Brexit to remainers.The Canada +++ that was offered did not include Northern Ireland, which was why everything went pear shaped - we were right to reject it.
The FTA's the EU has signed up (in particular the one with Mercosur isn't all that great because of the quota restrictions. I think something like 600,000 tonnes of beef are imported from Ireland, however, only 99,000 tonnes is the quota limit from Mercosur - not great but enough to really upset France and mr Varadkar.
Japans deal will take 7 years before Japan get any benefit from it (why on earth they signed up to this lord only knows - which is probably why they are being super cautious with us). We only do 700 million a year trade with Canada so that one isn' t really a big deal to us anyway - the FTAs the EU has are to benefit France and Germany - nobody else gets that much out of it and considering we have to pay around 10 billion net a year to trade tariff free (on overpriced goods) from the 27 is a complete joke.
We should ignore the EU and put in place our FTA with the rest of the world (whoever wants them - USA, Canada, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea etc) and leave the EU on October 31st. May was offered a comprehensive FTA with the USA in 2018 form the Trump administration but turned it down because the UK "wasn't ready"..... treacherous cow.
Who pays 10 billion a year for an FTA ? Oh yes, the UK.... the worst FTA in the world ever.
Once again your knowledge is simply lacking.
We do not pay £10 Billion a year a year for a FTA, we pay for Single Market Access.
This includes Services, our biggest Export.
We make a profit on that.
One of us is right, one of us is wrong.
Not long to go to see which one of us is right.
This will be Fun.
Will it be a win, win, land of milk and honey as you promise, or will it hurt, which is my view.
Leaving is important, it is all about Democracy, it is not about money.
18-07-2019, 10:29 AM
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Re: Ursula von de Leyens Pledges
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiOnce again your knowledge is simply lacking.
We do not pay £10 Billion a year a year for a FTA, we pay for Single Market Access.
This includes Services, our biggest Export.
We make a profit on that.
One of us is right, one of us is wrong.
Not long to go to see which one of us is right.
This will be Fun.
Will it be a win, win, land of milk and honey as you promise, or will it hurt, which is my view.
Leaving is important, it is all about Democracy, it is not about money.
Yesterday you said the banks were leaving and got that wrong and before that you were saying you don't want a no deal Brexit but voted for Nigel Farage's Brexit Party, who do want a no deal Brexit. If I were you, I would get your own arguments in order before trying to pull mine apart - your not up to the job.
18-07-2019, 11:01 AM
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Re: Ursula von de Leyens Pledges
Originally Posted by Bread
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We pay net contribution of around 10 billion a year. Access to the single market is access to the free trade arrangements that it brings (unfortunately binding us to the customs union) - however, Canada, Singapore, Japan etc have this same access but funnily enough don't pay 10 billion a year for it.Yesterday you said the banks were leaving and got that wrong and before that you were saying you don't want a no deal Brexit but voted for Nigel Farage's Brexit Party, who do want a no deal Brexit. If I were you, I would get your own arguments in order before trying to pull mine apart - your not up to the job.
Canada+++ was never offered, that is what we wanted but did not get.
WTO Free Trade Deal as not access to the Single Market it is a simple FTA, a very different animal.
The Banks are leaving, your UK Branch of UBS is now a subsidiary of UBS Germany, £33 Billion in assests leaving the UK and with that the tax payable on them.
Even JRM has moved assets and there fore taxes out of the UK.
No, I do not want a No Deal, however the only person I believe can deliver it as promised is Farage.
We already know Boris will not.
18-07-2019, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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Err, I would say that 1,269,501 votes is a little more than 9 votes, wouldn't you?
Percentages is the way to compare events of different numerical magnitude.
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