How The Federalists Seek To Abolish Your Nation

Nationalism is a topic frequently arising in these Brexit threads and a subject which will continue to be attacked by the EU supporting federalists. They want to create a Federal State, a very powerful state, a world power armed by a collective military comprised of the armies and navies of each EU state. To achieve this they have to destroy your nationality, your attachment to the history and heritage of your country and turn you into a nationless EU zombie.

The following article from The New Federalist is a good read. It highlights the federalist strategy and how its aims to neuter you and your country until it no longer exits:

http://www.thenewfederalist.eu/europ...t-for-the-best

Some of it's content:

"Nationhood is incompatible with the European project. The most conservative federalists who deny this fact reveal a touching naïveté. In this sense, the radical nationalists are right to panic about the end of nations"

"we must fully assume that the European project aims for the complete dissolution of nation-states."

"the European Union will need to find another political foundation, more rational than nationalism, by which it can transcend the multiplicity of cultures. Only constitutional patriotism corresponds to this need. The aim is to base European political society on liberal values such as constitutionalism, democracy and human rights, all of which are non-partisan, universal, and dedicated to serving individual liberty.

Immediately we see that this ideology has no chance to prosper on the continental scale if it is not applied beforehand on a national level in each of the EU member states.

The abolition of nationalism is indispensable for the prosperity of federalism"

"Nation-states are in no way essential to the future of the EU and are in fact far from the foundation of European construction. Successful unification will come from their dissolution"


What is immediately apparent to me in this article is that it attempts to sway view points away from Nationalism and towards Federalism on the basic of good morals, liberty, equality and human rights. It comes across to me very much as the snake words of "Grima Wormtongue" in Lord Of The Rings.

The EU is not here to make a happy equal libertarian continent. It is a bunch of corrupt power-mongering secret society officials building an all-powerful federal state with all the benefits and wealth that this will afford its rulers.

Their destruction of the economies of Greece, Italy, Spain and others serves to show their true hand and what they are prepared to do to steer things their way.

I like the idea and notion that all men and women are equal, that we are all humans, and thus should all enjoy the same basic freedoms and human rights. But at the same time I am not stupidly naïve enough to think that the creation of a United Federal States of Europe is going to pander to such idyllic end games. Mankind is always going to be oppressed and ruled by the wealthy elite and monarchies the world over. Human rights and equality are just terms paid lip service. The truth is that the elite will always be more equal than everyone else.

People will be no less oppressed and held in slavery and servitude in a Federal States of Europe than they would be in their own current country. In the EU however, their ability to lobby, protest and influence wider policy will be greatly diminished. The UK already has seen that it has less and less influence in the EU.

Here again is a chart from the independent VoteWatch Europe (www.votewatch.eu) showing how the UK's influence compares to other member states, how the UK is so often in the minority in the EU Council:



Note how France for example is hardly ever in a minority, less than 1% of the time in fact whereas the UK is in the minority some 12% of the time and that is a rising percentage.

So what do people think?

Are you ready to be Nationally neutered? Are you ready and willing to be labelled an "old dinosaur" because you love your country and its history and heritage? Or are you ready to shed any notion of being British and will happily allow the purposeful re-inventing of you and your country as just European, as just another Federal member?

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I have to say I'm not even keen on the elite ruling us, our own government has morphed into a career politicians dream. Real democracy would allow anyone from any walk of life to represent their community, so my dislike of federalism or whatever else they want to call it is deeply ingrained in my psyche.

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Can you please explain the link from elitism to federalism which is a political form of government which seeks to find a system of representation that reflects needs and power to act as close to local concerns as possible.

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The abolition of nationalism is indispensable for the prosperity of federalism"

NO.
Federalism is about recognising layers of membership of a central legislation nd offering popwers to them.

The USA is a federal state...some powers are centralised an have to do with what the US does as a whole...defense, treaties etc.

However each of the 50 states are separate and have large powers to organise themselves in education, taxation, budgets, social care, law enforcement and even amendments to the Constitution (recently the 2nd amendment). and other things.

This is federalism.
Federalism refers to the mixed or compound mode of government, combining a general government (the central or 'federal' government) with regional governments (provincial, state, Land, cantonal, territorial or other sub-unit governments) in a single political system.


The very antithesis of a unified state and centralised power.

As for your second tacked on item, the reasons given in your link include the conscious withdrawing of British influence. Read the list of reasons why the UK's influence in the EU has waned. Most of it is generated by the UK itself and its attitude to the EU. It doesn't fill others with any wish to respect the country.

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A bunch of abject nonsense Flicker !

The very concept of these independent and regional governments is an utter farce and you know it. The real people running the show, pulling the strings are not those governments. The real people are the elitists, the power-mad corporates and conglomerates. The fraudulent banksters, the sugar and salt conglomerates, the Goldman Sachs, the Monsantos and all those similarly associated. These are the powers lobbying government and effectively controlling everything.

The EU State is an extension of that corruption. It just happens to advertise itself as a humane body peddling human rights and liberty for all. In reality it is just a another step in the elitist agenda for a one world government. The enslavement of the entire human race by a single set of privileged megalomaniacs who will usher in a ruthless totalitarian dictatorship in which freedom of speech and opposition will be outlawed.

Federalism, in the context of the EU, is about the utter annihilation of individual countries and nations and their assimilation into an all-encompassing collective in order that a privileged few can rule a great many and wield all the power of their military forces.

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If there was any chance of freedom and fairness I'm pretty certain Eu and even our own government would stamp on it really quickly. Any chance they might lose something themselves would make them act fast.

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Well tell the USA that federalism is nonsense. It works for them. Federalism is federalism.

and even if you cut the cake into tiny pieces the "elite" will still be there. Because reality is not sitting at a computer at home...reality is the daily life of large international corporations and THAT has noting to do with the EU. They would exist anyway. They exist all over the world, not just in the EU.
It is up to YOUR GOVT to harness their power through taxation and accountability and workers' rights.


The rest is rubbish. I heard all this dogma before years ago. You'll be quoting Bilderberg to me soon.

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Call me slow on the uptake, but I have now come to the conclusion that attempting to debate matters with some people is pointless. It is quite clear that 'they' are not going to change their opinions and indeed are unable to provide verifiable material or sources to validate their claims.

For that reason, I cannot imagine my conducting any further discussion with a certain member of the forum.

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The US is pretty much a police state. It is a total failure much like the EU.

Literally millions of it's own home grown citizens are in abject poverty and are hooked up to food programmes. A tiny 1% of the populous holds 99% of the wealth. Hence you have movement like "Occupy Wall Street" trying to tackle the real issues. Those being that the fraudulent banksters and associated companies and conglomerates are the crooks ruling the roost and destroying the "American Dream" and overall way of life in order to continue to concrete their power and further their wealth. These corrupt people, including corrupt politicians at every level, have destroyed the American constitution, chipped away at it, gradually and often stealthily changing laws, bills to pave the way for more far reaching changes.

As for the elite, yes, they will always be around, but there is a marked difference between there being a set of elite living in a corner and having that corrupt collective run a country much less an entire continent !

Countries need to take back control of their laws and constitutions and underwrite them such that no person, whether fabulously rich and powerful or not, can undermine them.

A good and honest justice system and good governance can greatly limit the influence and impact of corrupt elites. Unfortunately our judiciary has of course been infiltrated by those elites who now consider themselves above the law and a law unto themselves. The UK corrupt politicians allowed the UK's justice system and supreme court to be overtaken by an EU Judiciary system. That should never have happened, and it is simply treason. The situation need to be completely reversed during Brexit.

I won't discuss Bilderbergers with you because your Masonic style approach is clearly going to try the usual tactics of disparaging very well established facts and labelling them as conspiracies. Bilderberg is not a conspiracy in any sense of the word.

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There is one true fact here.

Didnt Donald Trump recently state that global warming was a Chinese conspiracy theory?