supreme court or Queen over Brexit

On 3 November, three senior High Court judges, including the Lord Chief Justice Lord Thomas, head of the judiciary, ruled that the government did not have the power to trigger Article 50 using what is known as "prerogative powers".


For the first time, all 11 Supreme Court judges will hear a case together
These are a collection of executive powers - those not needing the authority of Parliament - derived from the Crown from medieval times.
Once exercised by all-powerful kings and queens, they have been dramatically reduced over centuries and the remainder are now vested in the hands of ministers.

Do you think this is something our Queen should make a decision on as previous Kings and Queens did

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You must be joking she's an undereducated overpriveleged woman who has lived all her 90 years in a protected bubble.

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BBC website will have a live stream of the hearing which starts at 11:00.

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I am not sure the Queen can make any political decision short of assembling and disassembling Parliament in a ceremonial way.

I don't think the issue is whether the Queen can dictate law but whether the Cabinet/govt can do so in her name without approval of Parliament who are the voice of the people in the UK's representative democracy.
Or IOW can a small group of people appointed by someone, override or speak for the country about breaking an international treaty without MP's approval.

Suppose if there were a treaty with the USA which ensured a long term valuable income in trading steel and agricultural commodities. Surely it is not right that one day the govt can simply cancel that treaty without recourse to Parliament where MP's represent the steel makers and farmers of the country? that is tyranny.

and further the regions which are doing well from the EU have no idea what the UK govt will be giving away and will only have a chance to vote on it at the very last minute.

That I suggest is no way to run a democracy.

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Hardly !

The Queen already gave her royal assent to each of the 5-6 EU treaties that have gotten us into this cesspit. In doing so she knowingly handed over the sovereignty of the country to a foreign power, handed over our judiciary system to a foreign judiciary and would ultimately hand over our military forces to a foreign power, all of which mean she broke her Coronation Oath.

There are few things the ordinary folk understand in politics but when a king or queen of a country willingly betrays its own people and gives the country away to a foreign power, that's seems pretty low to me. There is no longer any point in the monarchy, its primary purpose is to figure head the sovereignty of the country and protect its laws and customs.
Our monarchy has turned its back on those requirements and in so doing, turned its back on the people.

Doubtless when the troubles start in earnest our monarchy will leave the country.

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Hi

It was Parliament which decided on a Referendum, which was duly held.

The major Political Parties have agreed to accept the result of the Referendum.

I fail to see anything undemocratic in that.

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All this angst over our terms of leaving the EU , we are not due to leave for two years by which time the EU could be a very different place and with a bit of luck may not exist at all in its current form .

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First because the referendum is no binding in law.
Secondly because Constitutional process is extremely important in the future questions regarding it. The decision sets a precedent abut the structure of power in the UK and the definition of its democratic identity.

and finally the major parties are not all of govt, nor do they indicate which parts of a final agreement they agree with...the issue is not just about LEAVING...that is the title of the chapter. The real story s in HOW the UK leaves and WITH WHAT means to make a living.

I al really surprised that you see the story ending with just the referendum. You don't seem at all concerned that thousands of people may be laid off because the UK has no one to trade with other than through WTO rules which puts the UK in direct competition with th EU on price and quality.
It is up to the buyer to decide where it gets its good from...and it won't be the one who charges higher prices for a lower standard.

Last evening I heard the tariff on lamb is 67%! That makes British lamb 67% more expensive than it used to be inside the EU. Who is going to import lamb into the EU at 67% more than it can get lamb from any of 27 other countries??

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Once the A50 is sent the UK will have to leave, no later what state the EU is in...
A50 says nothing about changing your mind.
So in fact the UK has 3 months to make a final decision...and before negotiations start so they don't know what the final terms will be even tho they are technically out of it.
Which leans the EU can pretty well impose any terms it wants to.

and it can continue to reform and change with the times, which it certainly will do.

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Unfortunately the Queen is just a figurehead, good for tourism only. One only has to think back to her oath of allegiance at her coronation to know she was simply reading from a script because she has done absolutely nothing to protect the people of this country, as she swore to do, from being handed on a plate to a dictatorship. No doubt just meekly signing where she is asked to.