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12-11-2018, 03:12 PM
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Cold Hard Facts Regarding Brexit.

Just read this article by Trevor Kavanagh in the Sun Newspaper. It certainly lays bare the pickle we are in thanks to Theresa Mayís cowardice in dealing with the EU. It is rather a lengthy read, but the words certainly resonate with what is happening in this country of ours.

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100 years after WW1, are we set to surrender?


BRACE, BRACE! The pilot has locked the cabin door, passed the joystick to Ollie the autopilot and we are all of us - Brexiteers and Remainers - going down together.
The crew is baling out while Theresa May sticks her fingers in her ears, ignores screaming cockpit sirens and steers Britain towards abject humiliation.
Barring a bold last-minute swerve - or the ejector seat - we are all doomed.

To lose Brexiteer BoJo as Foreign Secretary - was unfortunate.
To lose his kid brother JoJo, a staunch Remainer, is a disaster for this Prime Minister.
From their different points of view, both put their finger on the sheer madness of Mrs Mayís botched bid to extricate Britain from EU coils.

Her BRINO plan, Brexit in name only, is a blatant half-in, half out stitch-up which will infuriate every single one of the 17.4 million people who voted out.
And as Jo Johnson crisply points out, it betrays even those who voted to remain.

The PMís shambolic Chequers plan keeps Britain enslaved by EU rules, with no power to do trade deals, no say in decision making and a £40 billion bill for the privilege.
Worse, she has left Britain with no escape except through a barbed wire minefield of transport and trucking chaos.
Theresa May has squandered two precious years, torn up her Mansion House promises and destroyed her Commons authority with a jaw-dropping election flop.

Beyond this catalogue of incompetence, the greatest indictment is her failure to prepare for a No Deal and to let Brussels know she means it.
She was simply terrified of upsetting chief EU negotiator Michel Barnier by even hinting Britain might be better off out.
She refused to antagonise our erstwhile partners - now our competitors - by ordering crucial No Deal preparations, still less building them.
And she ignored the blindingly obvious, even though European leaders spelled it out in capital letters: ďBritain must be PUNISHED for daring to leaveĒ.
The PM resorted instead to her default position, stubborn secrecy and political paralysis, using up precious time and taking us deeper and deeper into the long grass.

Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and other Leavers must accept some of the blame. They had no idea what to do with a Brexit vote in 2016, and mostly still donít. They retreated from the battlefield and left it clear for well-organised Remainers.
But for them, Theresa May would not have walked virtually unopposed into No 10. Nor would she have survived last yearís election fiasco.
Once in Downing Street, all she had to do to strike fear into her critics was wave the prospect of a Labour victory.

But those squabbling Tories need to wake up and smell the coffee. Unless something happens very fast, they have already lost the next election, whenever it is held.
The implications of their cowardice are chilling. Three centuries of British democracy, free speech and a free press are at risk from a Marxist government.
Global investors would suck truckloads of cash out of the UK economy the instant they sniffed a likely Corbyn victory.

Tories need to understand voters of all persuasions will find it hard to forgive them for leaving Britain at the mercy not just of Corbyn, but also a triumphant and vengeful EU.
They might not go out and actually vote Labour, but millions who supported Brexit will sit on their hands on polling day or vote for a revived Ukip, Labour would win by default.

There is only one way out of this mess. Brexit must be shown to have worked.
Remain is no longer an option. Indeed, we may now be heading remorselessly for No Deal.
Thanks to Mrs May and her useless Chancellor, Phil Hammond, this will not come without pain.
But we escape with imagination and true British grit or we will be boiled alive!.

It means on this centenary Remembrance of our struggle against tyranny, we risk ceding non-military victory in Europe to the undemocratic forces of an unaccountable totalitarian regime.

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Do Remainers agree with the above? Do Leavers believe the above is true? It is now blatantly clear in my opinion, that Theresa May, our Prime Minister by default, is fully set on betraying the democratic will of the people. The only defence we have of stopping her treachery are our elected MPís.
Unless she rolls back on her mad plans immediately,Parliament must fully reject her plan to keep us tied in to the EU with absolutely no power at all. Failing that, we desperately need her to be outed with a no confidence vote immediately.
Yes, I know, I appreciate it is the most insane thing to do at the vital end of the negotiations, but we need someone to deal Britain the hand it was given - Brexit - in full - as promised and voted for, by both parties. THE WOMAN HAS TO GO!
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12-11-2018, 03:29 PM
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As A Remainer I think we should leave with NO DEAL and tell the EU to stuff it where the sun don't shine

And if they still want to be Mr Bully then bomb the lot of them time they were told where to go

Mind you this is what we should have been doing in the EU parliament and taking complete control of Johnny Foreigner not the other way around they really want a good kicking wheres a Serbian assassin when you need one
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12-11-2018, 04:00 PM
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Sensible answer vaniy,, as you said, the time to have stood up to the EU bullies was when we had the opportunity as a member.
Certainly, no-one wants a no-deal, it would only hurt the UK and the EU alike. I also don't believe that Remainers or Leavers want what is now being put on offer to us -(with TM holding out her begging bowl) - nothing!

We will have to take it on the chin if they leave us no choice.
I really hope it doesn't come to that. Perhaps the EU27, who have so much to lose as well as us, will make those pig-headed EU negotiators realise what is at stake, take a step back and blink first.

Brexit has happened. We now need to get a deal that benefits both countries, but the way things are going with TM, and her stubborness in not listening to others, will lead to a No Deal which will be to the detriment of all 28 countries.
How many countries job's are the EU willing to sacrifice in order to show how they are punishing any country daring to leave?
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12-11-2018, 04:28 PM
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Most of this nastiness comes from Germany with France doing as they are told

Most of the other nations do not want us to leave because they are going to have to pay more

Also quite a few of them are getting fed up with jack boot mentality and can only see more bickering and in fighting once we finally leave
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Good Post Vainy, when can you take over from Theresa May?
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12-11-2018, 04:32 PM
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It's got to be a no deal but I'm pretty fed up we wasted so long coming to that conclusion, we've wasted two years and so much money messing about should have just announced the referendum result, spent a year preparing and gone. We'd be over the worse by now and not still reliving the damned referendum daily on OFF !
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12-11-2018, 04:50 PM
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"Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and other Leavers must accept some of the blame. They had no idea what to do with a Brexit vote in 2016, and mostly still donít. They retreated from the battlefield and left it clear for well-organised Remainers".

As the guy from the Sun said this is where the cock up started if they had grasped the nettle at the begining?

But then again they did not think they would win and like all in opposition they can say what they like because they are never going to implement it

In this case the word WRONG screams out at them so they bugger off because they have no idea what they are doing
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12-11-2018, 05:09 PM
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The problem was IMO leavers never had the power to do anything after the vote, several of them including Nigel Farage offered to help with negotiations but the remainers wanted to hang onto power and refused to take their help.

Instead of bringing the country together Teresa May has allowed us to fracture to save her own skin and that of her party.

This was never a party political question but both labour and Tories have treated it that way. Labour keeps opposing things just because they are the opposition instead of looking at whats right for the country, Teresa keeps trying to please her party and the remainers.

It was never going to work.


Don't blame leavers blame Cameron for asking the question with no plan to take us out if we voted that way.
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12-11-2018, 06:37 PM
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This was never a party political question but both labour and Tories have treated it that way. Labour keeps opposing things just because they are the opposition instead of looking at whats right for the country,

It was never going to work.

Don't blame leavers blame Cameron for asking the question with no plan to take us out if we voted that way.
Argumentum ad populum, in english, even if 17,4 mln. people say something stupid, it still is a stupid thing to do.
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12-11-2018, 06:48 PM
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We Are not talking about 17.4m people being stupid

Were talking about 650 numpties who make up the UK Parliament who should have been giving the tossers across the channel the kicking of their life and explaining in words of one syllable that you do it our way or you get a bloody nose
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