23-07-2019, 05:58 AM
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No deal Brexit more damaging than BSE crisis
Seems there is the possibility of a massive cull of lamb or costly compensation or farmers going out of business in a no deal scenarioUtter madness.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news...xit/ar-AAEsdOT
23-07-2019, 01:27 PM
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Re: No deal Brexit more damaging than BSE crisis
Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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Did I just hear a giggle from France at that remark?
23-07-2019, 02:22 PM
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Re: No deal Brexit more damaging than BSE crisis
There are far too many positives and negatives in leaving the EU without a deal for me, or any other ‘average’ person I reckon, to know many of the answers. That is one reason why I am not usually posting on any Brexit forums. However, on the question of UK lamb farmers being disadvantaged if we do leave without a deal I really do fail to understand any of this, hence this post.No date on this first linked item and the second one is from a couple of years’ ago but surely there must be a way of being self-sufficient in much of our foodstuffs? That being the case then once we sort out what is going to happen, if there is a no-deal Brexit, then measures can be taken to ensure any disadvantages from leaving the EU are as few as possible. After all we weren’t always in the EU, we did manage before then. There may be more people in the UK these days but why cannot production of food be increased to make up for that and any decrease in imports from the EU?
“Yearly, the UK produces enough lamb to meet the demands of its consumers. But much of this is exported while imported New Zealand lamb enjoys a prime position in the supermarkets. ... In 2012, for example, the UK exported 94,700 tonnes of lamb and imported 86,100 tonnes.”
https://www.ecoandbeyond.co/articles...-zealand-lamb/
“BRITISH lamb is now cheaper than New Zealand versions for the first time in six years. ... Despite coming from the other side of the world, New Zealand lamb has traditionally been cheaper than the British variety thanks to low costs, high yield, lower rates of disease and a favourable exchange rate.”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/88...ealand-variety
“For the past two years, UK imports of lamb from New Zealand have tracked below historic normal levels while at the same time the global supply and demand balance has tightened, and global prices have continued to trend significantly above the five year average as we enter 2019.”
http://beefandlamb.ahdb.org.uk/marke...ormal-in-2019/
Are any of you better-informed people on here able to give me any understandable answers?
23-07-2019, 03:03 PM
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Re: No deal Brexit more damaging than BSE crisis
Originally Posted by Baz46
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There are far too many positives and negatives in leaving the EU without a deal for me, or any other ‘average’ person I reckon, to know many of the answers. That is one reason why I am not usually posting on any Brexit forums. However, on the question of UK lamb farmers being disadvantaged if we do leave without a deal I really do fail to understand any of this, hence this post.No date on this first linked item and the second one is from a couple of years’ ago but surely there must be a way of being self-sufficient in much of our foodstuffs? That being the case then once we sort out what is going to happen, if there is a no-deal Brexit, then measures can be taken to ensure any disadvantages from leaving the EU are as few as possible. After all we weren’t always in the EU, we did manage before then. There may be more people in the UK these days but why cannot production of food be increased to make up for that and any decrease in imports from the EU?
“Yearly, the UK produces enough lamb to meet the demands of its consumers. But much of this is exported while imported New Zealand lamb enjoys a prime position in the supermarkets. ... In 2012, for example, the UK exported 94,700 tonnes of lamb and imported 86,100 tonnes.”
https://www.ecoandbeyond.co/articles...-zealand-lamb/
“BRITISH lamb is now cheaper than New Zealand versions for the first time in six years. ... Despite coming from the other side of the world, New Zealand lamb has traditionally been cheaper than the British variety thanks to low costs, high yield, lower rates of disease and a favourable exchange rate.”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/88...ealand-variety
“For the past two years, UK imports of lamb from New Zealand have tracked below historic normal levels while at the same time the global supply and demand balance has tightened, and global prices have continued to trend significantly above the five year average as we enter 2019.”
http://beefandlamb.ahdb.org.uk/marke...ormal-in-2019/
Are any of you better-informed people on here able to give me any understandable answers?
We also have some of the highest standards in farming in the world (better than most of the EU anyway). Quite an achievement to remaining competitive in global supply chains
23-07-2019, 03:07 PM
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Re: No deal Brexit more damaging than BSE crisis
HiThe info is here.
http://beefandlamb.ahdb.org.uk/marke...der-wto-rules/
No Deal means Tariffs on UK Lamb exports to the EU of between 40 and 90%, that means our farmers will be making a loss on every lamb, not a profit.
23-07-2019, 03:18 PM
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Re: No deal Brexit more damaging than BSE crisis
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiThe info is here.
http://beefandlamb.ahdb.org.uk/marke...der-wto-rules/
No Deal means Tariffs on UK Lamb exports to the EU of between 40 and 90%, that means our farmers will be making a loss on every lamb, not a profit.
Export elsewhere would be a better option or even better, buy British because the imports of lamb from the EU will have a tariff of between 40 and 90% coming into our country
23-07-2019, 03:26 PM
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Re: No deal Brexit more damaging than BSE crisis
Quote from your third citation:Last year, the European Commission and the UK government announced plans to split current quotas based upon average usage. This would split New Zealand’s sheep meat quota (currently 228,389 tonnes cwe) 50/50. New Zealand, along with various other countries, has objected to splitting the quota in such a way to the World Trade Organisation (WTO), however no decision has yet been reached.
This could therefore leave the EU market short of sheep meat by just over 30,000 tonnes in the no-deal Brexit scenario. It would also leave the UK market over supplied by approximately 30,000 tonnes (equivalent to approximately 11% of production/supplies available for consumption). This would be likely to have knock on effects for farmgate prices if the UK did not find another outlet for this product, although the price effect would be expected to boost UK demand. Due to the seasonal nature of British sheep meat production and domestic demand price could become more volatile and have a more pronounced seasonal pattern.
So if you cannot find a buyer for the 2019 lambs (and the 2020 ones are under production), you have to dump it.
23-07-2019, 03:29 PM
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Re: No deal Brexit more damaging than BSE crisis
Originally Posted by Bread
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They are only making a loss of they reduce the price of the lamb to negate the tariff amount. Export elsewhere would be a better option or even better, buy British because the imports of lamb from the EU will have a tariff of between 40 and 90% coming into our country
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Really?
UK Lamb cannot compete on those levels of Tariffs, our production costs are much higher.
Export elsewhere is also not an option because of Tariffs.
Lamb is expensive, people buy what they can afford.
A lot of ordinary people buy chicken and pork, much cheaper alternatives.
As you say, Go Boris.
This is one of the problems he has to sort out.
A genuine good luck to him, we will need it.
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