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10-09-2019, 04:17 PM
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Boris's Joker Card?

Whatever one feels about Johnson, he's a canny old chap.

It may appear that the traitorous MPs who have worked to block "No Deal" (in order to block BrExit itself) and who have refused Johnson an election, have won they day. But have they?

Boris has a way out it seems


First, he resigns immediately as Prime Minister

He is perfectly entitled to do so.

When that happens the HoC must come up with some kind of caretaker government, some kind of cross party union which is difficult. Boris I think can make recommendations as to that caretaker government.

Boris remains a member of the conservative party either way and very probably remains as its leader.

The moment the caretaker government is in place, the Tories issue a vote of no confidence in that caretaker government thereby triggering an election.

Job done.

The UK people then rids itself of the current EU infestation in parliament by voting in the Tories and BrExit party. In combination they will hold a decent majority and can then set about undoing all the crap that the current bunch of MPs have done. Repealing the No Deal blocking bill will be top of that agenda.

Boris goes back to being PM and gets on with his original strategy to walk out of the EU door with the £39 billion and to then invite the miserable dictators in teh EU back to the negotiating table.

He gets a good deal for the UK. We get to leave properly, out of the customs union, out of the control of the EU and ECJ and with favourable trading terms. Everybody wins. Except of course Remainers who will never be happy.
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10-09-2019, 04:33 PM
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Re: Boris's Joker Card?

Good theory Realist but could the conservatives win a vote of no confidence in the caretaker government? Personally I think not, because the numbers would be exactly the same as they are now, with all of the opposition parties voting as a block which would surely defeat the motion....
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10-09-2019, 04:45 PM
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Re: Boris's Joker Card?

Originally Posted by Realist ->
Whatever one feels about Johnson, he's a canny old chap.

It may appear that the traitorous MPs who have worked to block "No Deal" (in order to block BrExit itself) and who have refused Johnson an election, have won they day. But have they?

Boris has a way out it seems


First, he resigns immediately as Prime Minister

He is perfectly entitled to do so.

When that happens the HoC must come up with some kind of caretaker government, some kind of cross party union which is difficult. Boris I think can make recommendations as to that caretaker government.

Boris remains a member of the conservative party either way and very probably remains as its leader.

The moment the caretaker government is in place, the Tories issue a vote of no confidence in that caretaker government thereby triggering an election.

Job done.

The UK people then rids itself of the current EU infestation in parliament by voting in the Tories and BrExit party. In combination they will hold a decent majority and can then set about undoing all the crap that the current bunch of MPs have done. Repealing the No Deal blocking bill will be top of that agenda.

Boris goes back to being PM and gets on with his original strategy to walk out of the EU door with the £39 billion and to then invite the miserable dictators in teh EU back to the negotiating table.

He gets a good deal for the UK. We get to leave properly, out of the customs union, out of the control of the EU and ECJ and with favourable trading terms. Everybody wins. Except of course Remainers who will never be happy.
Hi

As realistic as your posts about the Flu Jab.

Boris is totally useless, lost every Vote and been outwitted by Corbyn.

Being outwitted by a Marxist Idiot like Corbyn is dangerous.
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10-09-2019, 05:03 PM
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Re: Boris's Joker Card?

Originally Posted by Barry ->
Good theory Realist but could the conservatives win a vote of no confidence in the caretaker government? Personally I think not, because the numbers would be exactly the same as they are now, with all of the opposition parties voting as a block which would surely defeat the motion....
Yes Barry, sorry to say l have to agree with you on this!
There are so many eventualities that are possible nothing is
certain untill we reach a point when an event takes place
that creates a direction!
We must wait untill that event happens?
Parliament is now closed thank goodness! When it opens
again the pressure will be on for remainers and we know
what that means, so lets bswitch our TVs off for bfive weeks
and try to relax and recover and enjoy ourselves again
because WE AINT SEEN NUTTIN YET??

Regards Donkeyman!
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10-09-2019, 05:05 PM
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Re: Boris's Joker Card?

Originally Posted by Realist ->
Whatever one feels about Johnson, he's a canny old chap.

It may appear that the traitorous MPs who have worked to block "No Deal" (in order to block BrExit itself) and who have refused Johnson an election, have won they day. But have they?

Boris has a way out it seems


First, he resigns immediately as Prime Minister

He is perfectly entitled to do so.

When that happens the HoC must come up with some kind of caretaker government, some kind of cross party union which is difficult. Boris I think can make recommendations as to that caretaker government.

Boris remains a member of the conservative party either way and very probably remains as its leader.

The moment the caretaker government is in place, the Tories issue a vote of no confidence in that caretaker government thereby triggering an election.

Job done.

The UK people then rids itself of the current EU infestation in parliament by voting in the Tories and BrExit party. In combination they will hold a decent majority and can then set about undoing all the crap that the current bunch of MPs have done. Repealing the No Deal blocking bill will be top of that agenda.

Boris goes back to being PM and gets on with his original strategy to walk out of the EU door with the £39 billion and to then invite the miserable dictators in teh EU back to the negotiating table.

He gets a good deal for the UK. We get to leave properly, out of the customs union, out of the control of the EU and ECJ and with favourable trading terms. Everybody wins. Except of course Remainers who will never be happy.
It would seem that Corbyn has outwitted you as well as Boris
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10-09-2019, 05:10 PM
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Re: Boris's Joker Card?

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

As realistic as your posts about the Flu Jab.

Boris is totally useless, lost every Vote and been outwitted by Corbyn.

Being outwitted by a Marxist Idiot like Corbyn is dangerous.
Be fair Swimmy, he was overwhelmingly outnumbered!
And hampered by TMs doings!
I got to quite like him in comparrison to the other POS!

Regards Donkeyman!
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10-09-2019, 05:43 PM
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Re: Boris's Joker Card?

Just challenge the benn bill in the supreme court.

Much easier
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10-09-2019, 07:52 PM
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Re: Boris's Joker Card?

Originally Posted by Realist ->
Whatever one feels about Johnson, he's a canny old chap.

It may appear that the traitorous MPs who have worked to block "No Deal" (in order to block BrExit itself) and who have refused Johnson an election, have won they day. But have they?

Boris has a way out it seems


First, he resigns immediately as Prime Minister

He is perfectly entitled to do so.

When that happens the HoC must come up with some kind of caretaker government, some kind of cross party union which is difficult. Boris I think can make recommendations as to that caretaker government.

Boris remains a member of the conservative party either way and very probably remains as its leader.

The moment the caretaker government is in place, the Tories issue a vote of no confidence in that caretaker government thereby triggering an election.

Job done.

The UK people then rids itself of the current EU infestation in parliament by voting in the Tories and BrExit party. In combination they will hold a decent majority and can then set about undoing all the crap that the current bunch of MPs have done. Repealing the No Deal blocking bill will be top of that agenda.

Boris goes back to being PM and gets on with his original strategy to walk out of the EU door with the £39 billion and to then invite the miserable dictators in teh EU back to the negotiating table.

He gets a good deal for the UK. We get to leave properly, out of the customs union, out of the control of the EU and ECJ and with favourable trading terms. Everybody wins. Except of course Remainers who will never be happy.

Sorry, but wrong. The 14 day window only arises in case of a vote of no confidence.
If boris resignes a GE is called for. Because there is no pm to advise the queen on a date (he resigned, eh), that duty falls to? Yes, the speaker

The convention in question is that the UK government’s authority to govern stands and falls by its capacity to command the confidence of the House of Commons. The position is set out clearly in paragraph 2.7 of the Cabinet Manual. When the government loses a vote of confidence, convention requires that the pm should resign at an appropriate time. That does not necessarily mean that the pm should resign immediately. As the Cabinet Manual notes, circumstances may supply occasion for the pm to exercise judgement, for example by tendering his resignation only once he is in a position to advise the Queen as to whom she should appoint as his successor. There is thus no invariable constitutional requirement that boris should resign as soon as his government loses a vote of confidence.
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10-09-2019, 11:03 PM
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No, sorry.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...net-manual.pdf

"If the Prime Minister resigns on behalf of the Government, the Sovereign will invite the person who appears most likely to be able to command the confidence of the House to serve as Prime Minister and to form a government.10
2.9 Historically, the Sovereign has made use of reserve powers to dismiss a Prime Minister or to make a personal choice of successor, although this was last used in 1834 and was regarded as having undermined the Sovereign.11 In modern times the convention has been that the Sovereign should not be drawn into party politics, and if there is doubt it is the responsibility of those involved in the political process, and in particular the parties represented in Parliament, to seek to determine and communicate clearly to the Sovereign who is best placed to be able to command the confidence of the House of Commons. As the Crown’s principal adviser this responsibility falls especially on the incumbent Prime Minister, who at the time of his or her resignation may also be asked by the Sovereign for a recommendation on who can best command the confidence of the House of Commons in his or her place.
2.10 The application of these principles depends on the specific circumstances and it remains a matter for the Prime Minister, as the Sovereign’s principal adviser, to judge the appropriate time at which to resign, either from their individual position as Prime Minister or on behalf of the government.12 Recent examples suggest that previous Prime Ministers have not offered their resignations until there was a situation in which clear advice could be given to the Sovereign on who should be asked to form a government.13 It remains to be seen whether or not these examples will be regarded in future as having established a constitutional convention."

In short if Boris immediately resigns, then as the Sovereign's principle advisor he recommends to the Queen who is best placed to "command the confidence of the House to serve as Prime Minister and to form a government".
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11-09-2019, 07:32 AM
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Re: Boris's Joker Card?

Originally Posted by Realist ->
No, sorry.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...net-manual.pdf

"If the Prime Minister resigns on behalf of the Government, the Sovereign will invite the person who appears most likely to be able to command the confidence of the House to serve as Prime Minister and to form a government.10
2.9 Historically, the Sovereign has made use of reserve powers to dismiss a Prime Minister or to make a personal choice of successor, although this was last used in 1834 and was regarded as having undermined the Sovereign.11 In modern times the convention has been that the Sovereign should not be drawn into party politics, and if there is doubt it is the responsibility of those involved in the political process, and in particular the parties represented in Parliament, to seek to determine and communicate clearly to the Sovereign who is best placed to be able to command the confidence of the House of Commons. As the Crown’s principal adviser this responsibility falls especially on the incumbent Prime Minister, who at the time of his or her resignation may also be asked by the Sovereign for a recommendation on who can best command the confidence of the House of Commons in his or her place.
2.10 The application of these principles depends on the specific circumstances and it remains a matter for the Prime Minister, as the Sovereign’s principal adviser, to judge the appropriate time at which to resign, either from their individual position as Prime Minister or on behalf of the government.12 Recent examples suggest that previous Prime Ministers have not offered their resignations until there was a situation in which clear advice could be given to the Sovereign on who should be asked to form a government.13 It remains to be seen whether or not these examples will be regarded in future as having established a constitutional convention."

In short if Boris immediately resigns, then as the Sovereign's principle advisor he recommends to the Queen who is best placed to "command the confidence of the House to serve as Prime Minister and to form a government".

Hi

Complete bollox.

Boris does not have a Majority, the Opposition does.

The Convention is quite simple, Corbyn gets 14 days to form a Coalition, he will get it.
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