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Article 10 NI protocol

The MPs focused on Article 10 of the protocol which deals with "state aid", or government subsidies.

The terms of the NI Protocol, it means Northern Ireland is still in the EU single market for goods and remains subject to EU subsidy rules for trade in goods.
However, Article 10 also says the UK as a whole should follow EU rules if a UK-wide subsidy could have an impact on trade in goods between Northern Ireland and the European Union.

For example, if a UK-wide subsidy was to give NI firms an unfair advantage over other companies in the EU single market.

Essentially, the UK government believes there is a very high bar for UK-wide subsidies to be covered by Article 10 while the EU sets the bar much lower.
The MPs concluded: "The continued application of EU state aid rules under the protocol on Northern Ireland was always likely to be controversial.
"However, it is worrying that the extent to which such rules will continue to be binding on the UK under Article 10 of the protocol are still interpreted very differently by the government and the European Commission."
They said the boundaries of Article 10 are likely to only become clearer through practice and, most likely, legal challenges.

Still years of legal battles ahead before brexit is done.
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10-04-2021, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Solasch ->
The MPs focused on Article 10 of the protocol which deals with "state aid", or government subsidies.

The terms of the NI Protocol, it means Northern Ireland is still in the EU single market for goods and remains subject to EU subsidy rules for trade in goods.
However, Article 10 also says the UK as a whole should follow EU rules if a UK-wide subsidy could have an impact on trade in goods between Northern Ireland and the European Union.

For example, if a UK-wide subsidy was to give NI firms an unfair advantage over other companies in the EU single market.

Essentially, the UK government believes there is a very high bar for UK-wide subsidies to be covered by Article 10 while the EU sets the bar much lower.
The MPs concluded: "The continued application of EU state aid rules under the protocol on Northern Ireland was always likely to be controversial.
"However, it is worrying that the extent to which such rules will continue to be binding on the UK under Article 10 of the protocol are still interpreted very differently by the government and the European Commission."
They said the boundaries of Article 10 are likely to only become clearer through practice and, most likely, legal challenges.

Still years of legal battles ahead before brexit is done.
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Yep, we have not done well with Boris negotiating.

Never mind, it will get sorted and the EU will have as many problems as we do.
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Yep, we have not done well with Boris negotiating.

Never mind, it will get sorted and the EU will have as many problems as we do.
They will but they will have a lesser impact on the EU economy as the EU trade with the UK only amount to around 13% of their total exports whereas the EU accounts for just over 43% of our exports so the hit to our economy will be harder.

Furthermore the significant impact to our exporters will not be replicated when full checks come into being as BJ has laready realised that any disruption will result in empty shelves in the shops, such is our reliance on imported foods outside of the summer months
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They will but they will have a lesser impact on the EU economy as the EU trade with the UK only amount to around 13% of their total exports whereas the EU accounts for just over 43% of our exports so the hit to our economy will be harder.

Furthermore the significant impact to our exporters will not be replicated when full checks come into being as BJ has laready realised that any disruption will result in empty shelves in the shops, such is our reliance on imported foods outside of the summer months

Only if we don't make up the shortfall of the 43% from elsewhere. We have been doing this gradually for years with the rest of the world and will do so even more now we outside the single market rules.

This empty shelves malarkey is just more hysterical nonsense from project fear. With the EU vaccine fiasco it just shows EU supply chains are unreliable, unpredictable and should never be trusted.
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Only if we don't make up the shortfall of the 43% from elsewhere. We have been doing this gradually for years with the rest of the world and will do so even more now we outside the single market rules.

This empty shelves malarkey is just more hysterical nonsense from project fear. With the EU vaccine fiasco it just shows EU supply chains are unreliable, unpredictable and should never be trusted.
By worth the UK imports $73bn from germany alone. From usa $ 58 bn. To replace just that you would have to more than double the usa imports. And biden doesn't even wants to talk about a trade deal with you, let alone close one.

Btw, wasn't it your "expert" opinion that supply chains for medical goods were different from others?
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By worth the UK imports $73bn from germany alone. From usa $ 58 bn. To replace just that you would have to more than double the usa imports. And biden doesn't even wants to talk about a trade deal with you, let alone close one.

Btw, wasn't it your "expert" opinion that supply chains for medical goods were different from others?

Supply chains for medicines come under different rules because of the regulatory controls.. I don't know what your point is with this, unless you need further explanation?
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Uk imports are on a perpetual decline from the EU and have been for over 20 years. Check back on those figures in about 5 years and you will see.
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10-04-2021, 01:37 PM
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Supply chains for medicines come under different rules because of the regulatory controls.. I don't know what your point is with this, unless you need further explanation?

You linked both in YOUR statement above! Not me.


Uk imports are on a perpetual decline from the EU and have been for over 20 years. Check back on those figures in about 5 years and you will see.
The share of UK exports accounted for by the EU has generally fallen over time from 54% in 2002 to 43% in 2019. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...ings/cbp-7851/
11% decline in 17 years. If it is a steady decline as you state, in five years time it will still be only down by 3%. Do your mathematics.
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10-04-2021, 01:42 PM
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The share of UK exports accounted for by the EU has generally fallen over time from 54% in 2002 to 43% in 2019. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...ings/cbp-7851/
11% decline in 17 years. If it is a steady decline as you state, in five years time it will still be only down by 3%. Do your mathematics.

The other thing is we have only been outside the single market for about a year ... so its not an accurate representation. That figure that has been declining will decline much quicker going forward.
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10-04-2021, 01:51 PM
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The other thing is we have only been outside the single market for about a year ... so its not an accurate representation. That figure that has been declining will decline much quicker going forward.
First you have to close roll over trade agreements for all those you lost from leaving EU. The japan deal is the only one new, but even there you only get the left overs after the EU has been served.
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10-04-2021, 02:17 PM
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Only if we don't make up the shortfall of the 43% from elsewhere. We have been doing this gradually for years with the rest of the world and will do so even more now we outside the single market rules.

This empty shelves malarkey is just more hysterical nonsense from project fear. With the EU vaccine fiasco it just shows EU supply chains are unreliable, unpredictable and should never be trusted.
The potential of empty shelves was why Boris extended the delay on regulatory checks so it’s Brexiteer hysteria

The EU can mote easily make up the shortfall as the USA, in DGG oak and other countries are prioritising trade deals with them ahead of deal with the UK

Also so far we’ve achieved no substantial benefits with the trade deals we have agreed
 
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