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27-12-2018, 11:14 PM
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Re: Why are people so surprised?

Originally Posted by Julie1962 ->
I think I might be going mad, am I only one think it's immoral to not share security information with all the people it affects ?

Deals and contracts ? no morals at all.
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We do not share security information with all.

To do so would result in our sources on the ground being killed.

You are not a bad person, simply naive.

Our job is to protect those who help us, not have them killed.

You put the rights of Terrorists above the rights of those they would kill.

Exactly the same as your hero Corbyn.

This is not the object of the exercise, which is to protect the innocent.

If your family member in the Forces was forced to give evidence in public and be identified, those who he gave evidence against would deliberately kill Grace as an example to others.

That is the reality of life.

You have obviously never dealt with them.
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27-12-2018, 11:39 PM
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Re: Why are people so surprised?

Originally Posted by Julie1962 ->
I think I might be going mad, am I only one think it's immoral to not share security information with all the people it affects ?

Deals and contracts ? no morals at all.
I think you are right. If someone pulls out of such an essential cooperation, on such an important subject as the security and safety of people, that is immoral.
Excuse me, who was pulling out? The UK? Immoral bunch!
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28-12-2018, 01:04 AM
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Re: Why are people so surprised?

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
I think you are right. If someone pulls out of such an essential cooperation, on such an important subject as the security and safety of people, that is immoral.
Excuse me, who was pulling out? The UK? Immoral bunch!
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I object to that most strongly.

We are not immoral at all.

We are realistic.

We spend far more then the Netherlands do on Electronic Surveillance.

We are members of Five Eyes, which costs us a fortune.

You have nothing like it at all.

We routinely share information with the Netherlands.

We respect their Security Forces, they can keep their gobs shut and act.

We cannot say the same about the rest of the EU.

Other EU States are simply not reliable.

Whatever the outcome of Brexit we will never abandon our long term friends.

The Netherlands, Poland and the Portuguese and Danish.

We work together well and will continue to do so.

I an quite relaxed about ill informed criticism, I answer it with facts.

I criticise our fantasist No Deal Brexiteers all the time.

You however have crossed the line with your ill informed, condescending posts.

You and your ilk are the reason I voted Leave.

I was a very reluctant Leaver, but your attitude has convinced me I was so right to do so.

It will be hard financially, but so so worth it.

We are not unreasonable people, we will continue to support our friends in the EU security wise.

Economically the Netherlands can swan off.

I know Moscow and others consider me a complete Fantasist with my £400 a day signing Export Certificates.

However that is only one day a week signing 8 Certificates for my friends.

They will be correct and will sail through.

I am EU Certified to sign them.

I will earn far more than that checking every EU Certificate for Food and Chemical imports to the UK.

One mistake and I will find it and reject the entire shipment

Be careful what you wish for Solascsh.

We are not all idiots and we will defend ourselves.
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28-12-2018, 02:53 AM
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Re: Why are people so surprised?

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No, wrong way round.

We are the ones leaving.

We are part of Five Eyes, the EU is not.

We do not share everything with them.

You need to look up what the No Deal lot are saying about leaving the EU Arrest Warrant.
British security services, as well as the SAS, are second to none. Therefore I am convinced that forums like this one are carefully monitored and background checks performed on those posting here. One only has to watch those for future refetence stating here they will put on a yellow vest if the need arises.
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28-12-2018, 03:02 AM
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Re: Why are people so surprised?

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

We do not share security information with all.

To do so would result in our sources on the ground being killed.

You are not a bad person, simply naive.

Our job is to protect those who help us, not have them killed.

You put the rights of Terrorists above the rights of those they would kill.

Exactly the same as your hero Corbyn.

This is not the object of the exercise, which is to protect the innocent.

If your family member in the Forces was forced to give evidence in public and be identified, those who he gave evidence against would deliberately kill Grace as an example to others.

That is the reality of life.

You have obviously never dealt with them.
Your reaction is in line with british chivalry. My reaction to that same post is fed by annoyance at my own inability to explain that you cannot expect that someone (UK) leaving the group (EU) keeps being treated as a member. Don't the brexiteers understand that the EU feels betrayed by the UK?
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28-12-2018, 07:08 AM
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Re: Why are people so surprised?

Don't the remainers understand that the UK feels betrayed by the EU?
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28-12-2018, 09:02 AM
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Re: Why are people so surprised?

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
Your reaction is in line with british chivalry. My reaction to that same post is fed by annoyance at my own inability to explain that you cannot expect that someone (UK) leaving the group (EU) keeps being treated as a member. Don't the brexiteers understand that the EU feels betrayed by the UK?

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I fully understand that leaving means that we will no longer be treated as a Member.

That is the object of the exercise, that is why I voted to leave.

I also understand that we are now competitors and that each should look after it's own.

I am just annoyed about what a useless job our politicians are doing.

I do not understand why the EU should feel betrayed by the UK leaving.

If they wanted us to stay they should not have let Merkel open the floodgates and then try to insist that we take a share of the ones she did not want.

They should not have insisted that we obey every rule when both France and Germany have consistently broken the rules for years with impunity.

If Germany wants an EU Army they could make a start by paying their fair share of NATO expenditure.
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28-12-2018, 09:11 AM
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Re: Why are people so surprised?

Well said swims
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28-12-2018, 11:05 AM
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Re: Why are people so surprised?

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

No, wrong way round.

We are the ones leaving.

We are part of Five Eyes, the EU is not.

We do not share everything with them.

You need to look up what the No Deal lot are saying about leaving the EU Arrest Warrant.
Are not Norway, Denmark and Germany 'third parties' to the Five Eyes alliance?
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28-12-2018, 11:08 AM
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Re: Why are people so surprised?

Originally Posted by Fogey ->
Don't the remainers understand that the UK feels betrayed by the EU?

Why do you say that the UK feels betrayed by the EU as you term it as a fact!.
 
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