12-12-2017, 08:14 PM
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Re: It's -7 outside bad for rough sleepers
Originally Posted by Uncle Joe
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At some point, if this cold weather persists or returns, there will be deaths amongst those sleeping rough. If it happens and is reported - expect anger and venom from me targetted at the scumbag 'nasty party' government!!!
12-12-2017, 08:46 PM
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Re: It's -7 outside bad for rough sleepers
Originally Posted by Judd
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If Brighton council don't supply shelters for the homeless you could always invite one or two to stay at your house.
No Judd, not going to be here for Xmas.
12-12-2017, 09:08 PM
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Re: It's -7 outside bad for rough sleepers
Originally Posted by Uncle Joe
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At some point, if this cold weather persists or returns, there will be deaths amongst those sleeping rough. If it happens and is reported - expect anger and venom from me targetted at the scumbag 'nasty party' government!!!
As the more "genuine" poster stated earlier, these people CHOOSE to sleep rough. It is their life choice, end of.
The vast majority have drink/drug addiction issues and as a result of that they actually turn down or refuse the various accommodation that is being offered to them.
Again this is a LIFE CHOICE they are making.
There is no point harbouring the typical feelings of public guilt and sadness at what they perceive are just unfortunate poor people living on the streets. It's a myth, a fantasy.
These people are getting benefits. They have money. They CAN walk into shelters and accommodation tomorrow, or even tonight. They chose not to expend their available monies on accommodation and food. We can't stop that, it is their choice, they are free to live as they wish to live. Their choice is to buy drink and drugs with the money in preference to accommodation, good food and good health.
No government is at fault here.
It's a global problem to tackle the drug industries and the supplies on the streets.
Meanwhile, there are lots of charities and support services that exist to provide limited support to these people. They have places to "hang out" during the day when they are wasted, where they can get a hot drink, a bit of breakfast and often a lunchtime meal too.
In the end however, there exists a "Cycle Of Change" which any person must get through in order to free themselves from their current lifestyle. It's a long haul and many go around the cycle multiple times. Many don't even begin to engage with the cycle, they don't yet want to change, just like many smokers don't.
As a society we can offer limited help to this whole demographic but there is absolutely no point us creating a completely free haven for them because all that does is make a life of drink and drugs more appealing, more secure, more easy to embrace.
We can provide them with clothing and blankets and the like, but in most cases they will simply sell those items on for cash. I been there and wasted my own money buying really good warm clothes for some of them only to find they are gone a week later. It's futile giving stuff to them.
You have to understand the routine they are locked into and the constant need for more money to get their next "hit".
When I am round and about my local city I carry a supply of emergency foil blankets with me which I hand out to the rougher of the "spare me some change please" merchants. They are light and easy for them to carry and will help keep them warm in this weather.
In the final analysis though, these people are not homeless, do not need to be sleeping rough and are choosing this life style.
12-12-2017, 09:36 PM
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Re: It's -7 outside bad for rough sleepers
Originally Posted by Realist
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Lol at the usual ignorant vitriol from the aging dinosaur !As the more "genuine" poster stated earlier, these people CHOOSE to sleep rough. It is their life choice, end of.
The vast majority have drink/drug addiction issues and as a result of that they actually turn down or refuse the various accommodation that is being offered to them.
Again this is a LIFE CHOICE they are making.
There is no point harbouring the typical feelings of public guilt and sadness at what they perceive are just unfortunate poor people living on the streets. It's a myth, a fantasy.
These people are getting benefits. They have money. They CAN walk into shelters and accommodation tomorrow, or even tonight. They chose not to expend their available monies on accommodation and food. We can't stop that, it is their choice, they are free to live as they wish to live. Their choice is to buy drink and drugs with the money in preference to accommodation, good food and good health.
No government is at fault here.
It's a global problem to tackle the drug industries and the supplies on the streets.
Meanwhile, there are lots of charities and support services that exist to provide limited support to these people. They have places to "hang out" during the day when they are wasted, where they can get a hot drink, a bit of breakfast and often a lunchtime meal too.
In the end however, there exists a "Cycle Of Change" which any person must get through in order to free themselves from their current lifestyle. It's a long haul and many go around the cycle multiple times. Many don't even begin to engage with the cycle, they don't yet want to change, just like many smokers don't.
As a society we can offer limited help to this whole demographic but there is absolutely no point us creating a completely free haven for them because all that does is make a life of drink and drugs more appealing, more secure, more easy to embrace.
We can provide them with clothing and blankets and the like, but in most cases they will simply sell those items on for cash. I been there and wasted my own money buying really good warm clothes for some of them only to find they are gone a week later. It's futile giving stuff to them.
You have to understand the routine they are locked into and the constant need for more money to get their next "hit".
When I am round and about my local city I carry a supply of emergency foil blankets with me which I hand out to the rougher of the "spare me some change please" merchants. They are light and easy for them to carry and will help keep them warm in this weather.
In the final analysis though, these people are not homeless, do not need to be sleeping rough and are choosing this life style.
13-12-2017, 10:49 AM
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Re: It's -7 outside bad for rough sleepers
Originally Posted by Realist
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Lol at the usual ignorant vitriol from the aging dinosaur !As the more "genuine" poster stated earlier, these people CHOOSE to sleep rough. It is their life choice, end of.
The vast majority have drink/drug addiction issues and as a result of that they actually turn down or refuse the various accommodation that is being offered to them.
Again this is a LIFE CHOICE they are making.
There is no point harbouring the typical feelings of public guilt and sadness at what they perceive are just unfortunate poor people living on the streets. It's a myth, a fantasy.
These people are getting benefits. They have money. They CAN walk into shelters and accommodation tomorrow, or even tonight. They chose not to expend their available monies on accommodation and food. We can't stop that, it is their choice, they are free to live as they wish to live. Their choice is to buy drink and drugs with the money in preference to accommodation, good food and good health.
No government is at fault here.
It's a global problem to tackle the drug industries and the supplies on the streets.
Meanwhile, there are lots of charities and support services that exist to provide limited support to these people. They have places to "hang out" during the day when they are wasted, where they can get a hot drink, a bit of breakfast and often a lunchtime meal too.
In the end however, there exists a "Cycle Of Change" which any person must get through in order to free themselves from their current lifestyle. It's a long haul and many go around the cycle multiple times. Many don't even begin to engage with the cycle, they don't yet want to change, just like many smokers don't.
As a society we can offer limited help to this whole demographic but there is absolutely no point us creating a completely free haven for them because all that does is make a life of drink and drugs more appealing, more secure, more easy to embrace.
We can provide them with clothing and blankets and the like, but in most cases they will simply sell those items on for cash. I been there and wasted my own money buying really good warm clothes for some of them only to find they are gone a week later. It's futile giving stuff to them.
You have to understand the routine they are locked into and the constant need for more money to get their next "hit".
When I am round and about my local city I carry a supply of emergency foil blankets with me which I hand out to the rougher of the "spare me some change please" merchants. They are light and easy for them to carry and will help keep them warm in this weather.
In the final analysis though, these people are not homeless, do not need to be sleeping rough and are choosing this life style.
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