14-03-2018, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiWe are a very big contributor to the EU.
Of course we could have thrown our weight around and changed things.
14-03-2018, 12:52 PM
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HiThey would have listened if we had put up a united front but we never did
If all our MEPS had been singing off the same hymn sheet as the Government of the day instead of taking the piss
Don't get me wrong I think we should have been taking it but as a united front telling them what to do not them telling us
14-03-2018, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiFederalism was on the Agenda.
Watch this video of Juncker say he is against Federalism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5a8jqNsu0o
You only have to look at the statements of Juncker and Co.
The EU Army for one,Germany and Luxembourg contribute nowhere near enough to NATO.
That I agree with but that has nothing to do with the EU Commission it's a national budget issue.
They are both very rich Countries,who rely on others.
No they reply on their own effective and successful economic system.
Alignment of Corporation Tax and VAT on Food.
That is an aspiration and only with unanimous member nation consent.
The EU threatening Poland with Sanctions after a democratic vote to change their laws.
Poland seeks to align it's laws and legal system under political control. It is undemocratic. Would you want the UK doing that?
The insistence that EU Countries take a quota of Economic Migrants that Germany does not want.
No the quota system is based on humanitarian need and fairness and applies to refugees not economic migrants..
What more do you want?
14-03-2018, 06:26 PM
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" I will forgive no-one who does not respect the sovereign voice of the British people once it has spoken, whether it is a majority of 1% or 20%When British people have spoken you do what they command. Either you believe in democracy or you do not"
Paddy Ashdown the day before the Referendum
Of course, that was when he, and the rest of the liberal left establishment thought the vote would be to Remain
14-03-2018, 07:50 PM
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Re: Britain could leave the Bloc and do things better!
Originally Posted by zuludog
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" I will forgive no-one who does not respect the sovereign voice of the British people once it has spoken, whether it is a majority of 1% or 20%When British people have spoken you do what they command. Either you believe in democracy or you do not"
Paddy Ashdown the day before the Referendum
Of course, that was when he, and the rest of the liberal left establishment thought the vote would be to Remain
14-03-2018, 10:43 PM
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Maybe someone should define democracy? Here is the oxford dictionary definition : "A system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives." but there are many definitions. The brexit referendum decision has been defined as advisory so it's not like an election. The final deal should be voted on by our democratically elected representatives. That's the democratic process.But people who don't like the real democratic process want to cherry pick so that they get the outcome they desire. Why should those who believe in true democracy agree with that? We delegate decisions and those decisions are decided by our delegated representatives.
15-03-2018, 12:14 AM
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Re: Britain could leave the Bloc and do things better!
Originally Posted by zuludog
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" i will forgive no-one who does not respect the sovereign voice of the british people once it has spoken, whether it is a majority of 1% or 20%when british people have spoken you do what they command. Either you believe in democracy or you do not"
paddy ashdown the day before the referendum
of course, that was when he, and the rest of the liberal left establishment thought the vote would be to remain
The remainiacs will do anything to twist things.
I suggest they read the ballot slip that came through our doors. It was unequivocal.
15-03-2018, 06:22 AM
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I don't understand this to trade with us ...you have to be part of our political and social agenda?What a load of nonsense if that's the case surely as we have a trade deficit with them it should be us making the demands?
It's all just words the EU are empire building pure and simple.
15-03-2018, 07:08 AM
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Re: Britain could leave the Bloc and do things better!
Originally Posted by summer
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I don't understand this to trade with us ...you have to be part of our political and social agenda? What a load of nonsense if that's the case surely as we have a trade deficit with them it should be us making the demands?
It's all just words the EU are empire building pure and simple.
Countries can Trade with the EU without being part of it, but to access the Single Market and Customs Union there are certain Conditions.
We have decided to leave both,so we are left with a Free Trade Deal.
The EU have many such deals which we are also leaving when we leave the EU.
We are having to renegotiate them.
We are not doing well on that,some Countries want to renegotiate the terms.
The EU have offered a Canada style Free Trade Agreement.
This would protect their exports to the UK, but block our Services, which are our biggest exports to the EU.
They have nothing to lose from this but a lot to gain.
15-03-2018, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Maybe someone should define democracy? Here is the oxford dictionary definition : "A system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives." but there are many definitions. The brexit referendum decision has been defined as advisory so it's not like an election. The final deal should be voted on by our democratically elected representatives. That's the democratic process. But people who don't like the real democratic process want to cherry pick so that they get the outcome they desire. Why should those who believe in true democracy agree with that? We delegate decisions and those decisions are decided by our delegated representatives.
Cameron made it clear the decision defined by the referendum would be adhered to.
The democratically elected representatives are there to represent their constituents.......any way you look at the result that means 52% of those representatives should back Brexit. The fact that more MP's back remain is indicative of one of the anomalies of the democratic representative system.
That's the beauty of a referendum . It's unequivocal!!!
There is no point in having MP's vote on a final deal because if the reject that deal then we crash out on WTO rules.....The Hard, Cliff Edge Brexit no-one wants.
We can't risk two years of hard negotiating and deal making being undone by a bunch of petulant, arrogant, unrepresentative back benchers who care not for the best interests of the UK but only of their own ego's.
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