Re: How Fair is Britain?

I think it's true but then we have black members of our family since the early 80s.

When we talk about immigration some people always imagine we have a problem with colour, but personally I would rather see people from India/Pakistan/Sri lanka/Africa and many other places come here in a controlled manner than unfettered immigration from white countries in the EU.

The anti EU lobby should be listened to more carefully and not assumed to be racist IMO

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is UK still the land of milk and honey that so many immigrants imagine?

Re: How Fair is Britain?

WELL, NO longer can it be fair, reason=social mobility.
in london you find phds in fast food cafes, while those who worked hard now find they cant even pay domestic bills, and yet the government does nothing citing the free market, fair never, but i do think its always been like that, here and even the usa which liked to think the dream was for all,er its no longer enough to work hard to get on, the rewards are no longer there.

Re: How Fair is Britain?

As others have already said, assessing fairness of any society surely depends on where you are in that society?
How do you actually quantify Fairness?

Something applied at one level of a given society and deemed as Fair by those it directly effects could well be regarded as totally Unfair by another level of that same society but for reasons that simply do NOT impinge on that original level of the society!

Gets complicated don't it?!

I personally feel that Fairness is slipping away from all of us, no matter how we each feel in social groups / levels in the greater society.

State Security and Policing is encroaching more and more on us all but much of it is covert and kept from us - where's the Fairness in that?! stevmk2

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YOU ARE right to mention policing/secruity,
much can be done under the guise of national security,
trouble is by its nature how can we judge what is justified ?

like the adage who watches the watchmen, god knows!!!

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It could get messy if the custodians of the "Hidden Agenda" forget where THEY have Hidden It.

Re: How Fair is Britain?

well just a reminder that the report did say that the British had a deep sense of fairness BUT that Britain was still not yet fair which some are indeed agreeing with here. But forever moving on:

here is an interesting comment from the report about "race, religion and belief"

for example in 2001 approx 40% of people believed there was more racial prejudice that in the previous 5 yrs

in 2005 48% and in 2008 56% - remembering these are peoples beliefs [perceptions] not necessarily what was reality.

and in terms of religious prejudice:

if this belief also reflects reality then I would imagine that as prejudices increase so fairness decreases?

Incidentally as I mentioned at the start I did check out the sources of data and they come from England, Wales and Scotland but NOT Ireland.

It would be interesting if not impossible to compare the data obtained from England, Wales and Scotland and indeed Ireland, to see what differences existed if any, but that would be a whole new work in itself!

Re: How Fair is Britain?

I know one or two revolting peasants.

Re: How Fair is Britain?

Ploppy don't you ever read the title ..

They want to know how fair is Britain ...

Well this is just an observation .. with all the rain they get ...
I would assume they don't get much sun ....
but they are one of the most popular country for sun block ...
I assume they are very fair ...

Re: How Fair is Britain?

If they kicked all black people out they would be quite fair, but that wouldn't be fair of course.