08-04-2020, 03:45 PM
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Re: China Must get It's Come-uppance?
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Almost but if the cost of delay was less than the cost of a higher spec screw then choosing a higher spec screw would be failure to meet its requirement of which cost was one requirement.
breaking shouldnt you?
But if you buy a packet of screws that are described as screws then
the maker of screws has claimed his product to be able to function
as a srew, but if his screws keep breaking because they are made
from some soft alloy because it is cheaper to make them that way,
Then that manufacturer is guilty of fraud! for calling his products
screws, NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE Todgy, just like the cladding on
Grenfell towers??
Donkeyman! 😇😇😇
08-04-2020, 03:45 PM
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Re: China Must get It's Come-uppance?
Originally Posted by OldGreyFox
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Spot on keezoy....
If you don't want to be doing a job twice, buy well made tools and materials....
Cheap Chinese products are aimed at the people who don't know the difference....
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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If a thing ticks all the boxes it is high quality.If it exceeds the requirements it is not high quality. Like used to be said in ITT years ago - there are no such things as nice surprises in business.
08-04-2020, 03:51 PM
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Re: China Must get It's Come-uppance?
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Phil Crosby wrote an excellent book on quality and it was he who postulated the principle of quality being about a thing being compliant with requirements. He also explained that quality is free, certainly if compared with the costs of not being compliant with requirements.What gets interesting is when the cost of defect removal is set against the stage of product roll out is recognised. Taking the classic "dust to rust" path for a product the cost of defect resolution increases horrendously at each key stage. That's why quality is free. Try not giving it inadequate attention and see the cost go through the roof and be very much more than getting things right, ideally right first time but even then at least delivering the requirements of the next stage in the overall process.
It's a fascinating subject that is often non intuative.
Todgy?? You go round and round and then disappear up your own
rectum if you dont mind me saying??
Donkeyman! 👍👍👍
08-04-2020, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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Exactly. I was going to say more or less the same as Keezoy but he put it more eruditely than I could have done.I beg to differ. If something EXCEEDS the specified requirements in some way, then I suggest that something is of EXCELLENT quality. It also shows that there is a possibility of tweeking the design/components/something to reduce the overly high quality level a little and, perhaps, save some money.
Weird I know, but thats the world we live in (or I do anyway).
08-04-2020, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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You sound like you are reading from an advertising text bookTodgy?? You go round and round and then disappear up your own
rectum if you dont mind me saying??
Donkeyman! 👍👍👍
As for the subject of quality, it was a thing given a great deal of attention in the syllabus of the MBA course that I took (and somehow passed)!
08-04-2020, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Wot? Like the Whoosit Bird? The one with a asymmetric wings?As for the subject of quality, it was a thing given a great deal of attention in the syllabus of the MBA course that I took (and somehow passed)!
Donkeyman! 🤔🤔
08-04-2020, 08:00 PM
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Re: China Must get It's Come-uppance?
Originally Posted by Bread
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Exceeding requirements is not good quality as it is adding cost that the customer will not pay for, which adds risks to the maintenance and support of the product, which can impact business profits and threaten future support.Weird I know, but thats the world we live in (or I do anyway).
But business success should not prejudice quality at all imo!
If it does, it leads to the throwaway culture that we suffer from
today?
With the resulting waste disposal problems that are causing most
of our enviromental degradation which is so obvious nowadays??
I am sure you dont agree that we should make things to last a
minimum length ot time just so we can sell another one just to
maximise profits??
Donkeyman! 😇😇😇
08-04-2020, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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You said it Bread!But business success should not prejudice quality at all imo!
If it does, it leads to the throwaway culture that we suffer from
today?
With the resulting waste disposal problems that are causing most
of our enviromental degradation which is so obvious nowadays??
I am sure you dont agree that we should make things to last a
minimum length ot time just so we can sell another one just to
maximise profits??
Donkeyman! 😇😇😇
All depends on the requirements but I absolutely agree, and you hit the nail on the head where you point out that there should be ethical/sustainability parts to all businesses and manufacturing.
In all the procedures we use there is a section on Environmental Health and Safety which defines the requirements for things like transportation, purchasing and disposal of chemicals and raw materials etc. I think these sections should be better worded these days as a lot of the ones I've seen come from very old standards and ways of working.
I also agree with your point about recycling and re-use of components and how we should levy massive green taxes on things like single use plastics used in products and other things that are not biodegradable etc.
08-04-2020, 09:06 PM
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Re: China Must get It's Come-uppance?
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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If you buy ascrew, you should be ablie to srew it in without itbreaking shouldnt you?
But if you buy a packet of screws that are described as screws then
the maker of screws has claimed his product to be able to function
as a srew, but if his screws keep breaking because they are made
from some soft alloy because it is cheaper to make them that way,
Then that manufacturer is guilty of fraud! for calling his products
screws, NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE Todgy, just like the cladding on
Grenfell towers??
Donkeyman! 😇😇😇
08-04-2020, 09:35 PM
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Re: China Must get It's Come-uppance?
Originally Posted by Bread
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Exceeding requirements is not good quality as it is adding cost that the customer will not pay for, which adds risks to the maintenance and support of the product, which can impact business profits and threaten future support.Weird I know, but thats the world we live in (or I do anyway).
So by exceeding the quality specifications, the screw can be used for all purposes.....Surely, by exceeding requirements for one job, might make it suitable for a wider range of use.....thereby increasing sales potential.
Just saying....
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